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A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Just don't give them any passwords or unlock anything if you are a US citizen. Let them try to detain a US citizen indefinitely for it.

Well... sure. Problem is I don't have 6 weeks to sit in a detention cell waiting for the ACLU to clear my case.

That beats doing real time for the cleartext in your phone.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438...

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Obviously appreciating that NASA has some sensitive data but just for a second also try and appreciate how would this play out for someone who works in the financial industry, where unauthorised sharing of sensitive data is not only a breach of contract with your employer/clients but a crime(insider trading) in almost all countries. Or imagine how the people who enforce these new regulations can exploit this. Query f…

> Or imagine how the people who enforce these new regulations can exploit this.

I can imagine that perfectly: When Trump was asked about global warming he mentioned "these e-mails." "These" e-mails are the internal communication of the climate researches working at the UK University.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_c...

Now, the e-mails didn't contain anything problematic, but were still used against climate researches by the "deniers" who mischaracterised and took the phrases out of the context. Details are in the Wikipedia article above.

Now this NASA guy was "enrolled in Global Entry" meaning the border searchers already knew he works for NASA.

NASA does climate science.

And there's real chance that the searchers have copied the whole content of his phone.

And it's imaginable that again something somewhere can be used as a big media campaign based on something taken out of the context, because it already happened once.

With Trump really mentioning "these e-mails" I can imagine him using such a campaign as a pretext for even more unprecedented measures against climate scientists.

I can't say if this specific case is part of something like that, only that I can imagine something like that.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Just don't give them any passwords or unlock anything if you are a US citizen. Let them try to detain a US citizen indefinitely for it.

Exactly. It's your constitutional right as a US citizen to tell any Law Enforcement agent to go fuck themselves. 1. They need a warrant to search your phone if you don't voluntary give them access. 2. Even if they have a warrant, you can plead 5th and just not give them the pin. The American way is all about not trusting the government, believing in conspiracy theories, and stocking up on ammo.

Believing in conspiracy theories is, ironically, a way of attributing more power to the state/elite than it actually has.

You're celebrating pathological thinking, especially when you claim that stocking up on ammo contributes to the functioning of a nation (in the loosest sense of "nation"). The days of militias are long gone.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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"You will not share your password (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."

https://www.facebook.com/terms

It would be a violation of my facebook terms and conditions to share my facebook password!

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Use a password manager. Use long random passwords for every site.

Set your phone PIN to something 20 chars and random and text it to your friend. Write your friend's number on a slip of paper but add 1 to each non-area-code digit.

Disable biometrics. Power off phone.

You now no longer have the ability to provide the information they seek at the border.

Call your friend when you get through (from someone else's phone) and change your PIN back.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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> there are no border controls (when walking or driving). In practice they may not always exist, but I think Schengen member states have the authority to perform border controls in all cases ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Border_checks does not talk about distinctions depending on the mode of entry). In the current political climate, even as a citizen of a Schengen country, I would not cross borders wi…

I understand that there are some overlapping rules and regulations between EU member states and states in the Schengen Area. But you don't have to go more than a year back, when the refugee crisis peaked, to find Norway enforcing full border control on all land and sea based borders. But not by air, probably because they knew most refugees would never be allowed to board a plane or afford the tickets. This ended up i…

The temporary border controls are not there to physically stop people from entering, but to dissuade them from trying to go to Norway at all in the first place. That's the big effect, and it is of course intentional.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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I hope you realize the job of the president is to instruct these agencies on how to conduct their operations. Don't defend people (CBP employees) which are are acting immorally, and possibly illegally. The Nazis said they were "just doing their job", and that defense did not stand up at the Nuremberg trials. Anyone who enforces orders of questionable legality is part of the problem (such as those executing these race…

Who is excusing it? All people are saying is that this is a failing of previous administrations. Bush set a lot of these rules up, and Obama strengthened them.

If he's just a poor innocent victim of his mean ol' predecessors who enacted these horrid policies, he could do away with them.

If he doesn't, then he gets to inherit all the present-day responsibility for them.

Or if you'd like I can send a microphone to you so you can record your comments. "BUT... BUT... OBAMA! BUT... BUT... OBAMA!" is going to be the bass line of my chart-topping dance track later this year.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just don't give them any passwords or unlock anything if you are a US citizen. Let them try to detain a US citizen indefinitely for it.

Exactly. It's your constitutional right as a US citizen to tell any Law Enforcement agent to go fuck themselves. 1. They need a warrant to search your phone if you don't voluntary give them access. 2. Even if they have a warrant, you can plead 5th and just not give them the pin. The American way is all about not trusting the government, believing in conspiracy theories, and stocking up on ammo.

IIRC if you are within 100 miles of the (actual) border or an international airport then are you considered to be entering/leaving the US and can be searched without a warrant.

https://www.wired.com/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/

https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Within Europe (ps: as a European citizen) you can go anywhere with a personal identification card (no passport) and there are no border controls (when walking or driving). There isn't even a border, just a sign: welcome to $country (ps: and maybe local driving instructions). Say what you will about the EU, but this has been a great achievement. I can go through airport security between two EU countries and security w…

This wasn't true during the height of the refugee influx through Greece. I took a flight from Greece to Frankfurt and the German police inspected each passenger individually before we were allowed to the gate.

Also before any crises, when I was taking the cheap buses between copenhagen and hamburg, there was usually passports controls on entering Denmark. The police officers would be very lax with european citizens, it felt like though.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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All the people suggesting a "duress mode" would solve this issue need to wake up.

For as long as it's not illegal to force people to open up their phones at the border, you are not under duress. In fact, the government could even warp the situation to where you'd be commiting perjury by showing a fake screen.

Unfortunately, we can't solve this problem through technology: we need to convert the broader public and fight to make the representatives we elect work for the people.

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