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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by shmerl »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #313
shmerl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It gets a major update every year? Yeah, so where is OpenGL 4.5?

It was a bad decision to continue with Metal instead of updating OpenGL, but the operating system is not neglected. One example of a feature you personally want (that I do too) does not constitute neglect. It gets regular updates.

Not sure how else you can spin it, but not updating graphics drivers for years IS neglect. It shows a complete lack of care, since they easily could fix this. Or may be you are implying it's an intentional act of letting it rot to force developers to use Metal and such? That would be actually even worse, and I'd say should encourage both developers and users to ditch Apple even sooner.

Case in point, I've heard several times how people were saying, they are ditching MacOS, because Wine developers aren't going to support DX11 games there, courtesy of Apple not updating OpenGL.

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Post by khedoros1 »

67726e wrote: post #175
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172

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I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

I've had fresh Windows 10 (no crapware) installs on two different development machines at two different companies. Both times it was slower than hell, and I immediately asked for a Linux install. Perhaps this is me finally getting old and curmedgeony at the ripe old age of twenty-three, but I'll be damned if I'm switching my personal computer away from Windows 7 anytime soon.

My company's Windows 7 image craps up awesome hardware, and so did the XP image before it. Lenovo T450s with an SSD? Yeah, that'll take a solid 5 minutes to reboot.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by akappa »

davidf18 wrote: post #100
akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

Interesting, readers of HN should know that upgrades to the newest version of Windows and updates is essential for reasons of software security. Newer versions of Windows incorporates security measures not in older versions -- sometimes even taking advantages of new security features in Intel hardware. For example, Target and Home Depot were hacked because they failed to upgrade their point-of-sale hardware from Wind…

Of course, but I was talking about the incentives of an average user, which I'm not sure care about security as much as we do.

Just to make what I'm saying more concrete: most people in my home town in Sicily think it's perfectly OK to bring their phones and laptops to some random guy owning a tech-assistance shop and tell him their Facebook/Email passwords straight away so he can reinstall stuff and save their login for them. Do you think they care about upgrading because of "improved security"? I'm not sure they even understand what a security issue is...

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by windows10rules »

hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

>I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10

>I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut on the desktop or is pinned to the toolbar

Some people would consider being unable to use a KEY feature of the OS a problem.

But you're right, aside from the glaring lack of tires, it's a great car.

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Post by iwlbebnd »

cr0sh wrote: post #124
afghanPower wrote: post #42

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I get (maybe) your argument when it comes to Windows 7 -> Windows 10, but I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux. Following an Arch install tutorial shouldn't take anyone here on Hackernews more than 2 hours to get their DE, networking etc. up and going. You should try it. It's fun!

Arch isn't that hard to set up - I'll agree with you there. Where it falls down, though, is when you need to install something where there isn't a package for it. Now, of course, you could just go old-school and "manual install" whatever you want. But let's say you didn't want to do that, because you got tired of having a system full of cruft due to all these funky pieces of software scattered about the system that t…

You run your proprietary software in a docker container or OS appropriate VM. Problem solved.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by khedoros1 »

dublinben wrote: post #186
kyriakos wrote: post #181

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You are not alone, I run 3 PCs with Windows 10 all 3 had zero problems - everything works fine. I understand people being privacy concern but as an android user I feel like that ship has sailed a long time ago.

You can use Android without sacrificing your privacy. You should be able to use your computer the same way. Sadly, Microsoft disagrees.

Sure. Install an image without an app store or Google services. That ought to get you most of the way there.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by stevebmark »

I'm someone who stuck with Windows 7. The history of Windows has been so shaky, and the general software quality of Microsoft is so low, that the only rational strategy with Windows is "if it ain't broken, don't fix it."

I have both Windows and Mac hardware, and I prefer to update my Mac OS as soon as updates are available. On reflection, I suppose it's because the software quality is always high, and I know the core linux-based OS won't have any major changes. Upgrading, except for the occasional "I guess networking doesn't work now," is a pleasant and expected process. There are also rarely, at least for me, compatibility issues with existing software and newer Mac OS versions.

It seems like major versions of Windows are completely different operating systems, with "improvements" built on top of original hacks and poor code, and news reports of zero day crippling flaws in every new version. And of course, Windows 10 looks visually terrible. Flat design in general looks bad, but Windows 10 seems to have done something especially colorblind with it.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by windows10rules »

nisa wrote: post #276
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I'm most of the time using Linux but Windows 10 is quite fast and usable if you are willing to do the dance to check all privacy settings and clean the Start Menu of the spam. I don't use an online id for logging in and use this tool to fix privacy settings: https://modzero.github.io/fix-windows-privacy/ (read the fine print, it's quite invasive!) there are powershell scripts for cleaning the start menu - I don't hav…

After neutering all the new "features" it's a GREAT system!

Really!

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by rjbwork »

sounds wrote: post #101
rjbwork wrote: post #95

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In light of so many hundreds of millions of people still using 7, how was it forced?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3088755/windows/a-lawsuit-ove... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/232599-microsoft-slapp... https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-pays-woman-10000-over-fo... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+10+forced+upgrade

Yeah, it was aggressive, but it wasn't forced. Non-technical users do stuff they don't want to to their computers all the time.

The X button as an agree thing goes a bit too far though, i think.

Either way, I love my win 10. shrug

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by CamperBob2 »

scholia wrote: post #305
pessimizer wrote: post #149

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The difference is that after XP, the majority of users didn't upgrade.

Windows 7 did get a majority of the Windows market. Windows 10 will get a majority of the Windows market. In fact, in some areas -- the USA and the UK, for example -- Windows 10 overtook Windows 7 late last year, on StatCounter's numbers.

Yes, when you trick and manipulate users into upgrading, it results in a substantial short-term boost in market share.
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