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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by telk »

baddox wrote: post #162
rdtsc wrote: post #84

Lyft sent me a political message in an email so I deleted Lyft and now don't have either one. I used them, because I thought they were nicer to the drivers and allowed me tip. And I support the refugees and think this is a stupid and dangerous ban. Oh and I was a bit in the same boat as some of them and on a few occasions was not allowed board the plane with a ticket in hand, and was not able to get home to US. But L…

Condemning opposition to bad things because worse things have happened in the past is something I do not even remotely understand.

I bet when Bannon dissolves Congress or completes his mission of "destroying the state" in some other way the Facebook feeds will still be full of "But Hillary..." posts

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Post by Klez1993 »

deepakhj wrote: post #133
8ytecoder wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, either Uber copied the idea of ride sharing from lyft or both copied it from sidecar. Uber wasn't the first.

Zimride (Zimmer founder of Lyft) started the first carpooling site. I used it many times to offer rides to Tahoe. Uber started their service with black cars. Later Sidecar started the first service to allow non taxi/black car drivers the ability to drive their car and pick up passengers.

BlaBlaCar was first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlaBlaCar

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Post by DanBC »

general_ai wrote: post #299
ubernostrum wrote: post #286

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A serious question: do people who leave comments like yours, and the even shorter ones that are literally just the words "virtue signalling", really believe that doing so presents a devastating critique which will convince others of the error of their ways and change their minds? Or is it something you do to demonstrate your affiliation with a particular set of beliefs and positions? Does this phrase have empirical c…

Nah, a serious question wouldn't presuppose a particular answer. I think you've made up your mind long before you asked it. But I'll oblige anyway. Virtue signaling in this context means that actions of individuals are directed mostly at people within their political and social group, not outside it. Their main purpose is similar to that of a Facebook "like", to communicate adherence to a shared set of beliefs, not t…

> People on the right are prone to this too, but seemingly to a much lesser extent

You don't seem to think that calling out virtue signalling is itself virtue signalling.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by fennecfoxen »

captainmuon wrote: post #263
alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

Uber is a company, it is not organized in a union. I would never expect them to participate in a strike and effectively order their drivers to stop working. Just like a taxicab company doesn't participate in the strike, but the drivers do. This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home??

> I would never expect them to participate in a strike and effectively order their drivers to stop working.

Doubly so since half of their business model's premise is that Uber drivers are not employees, independent contractors who bring their own equipment, set their own hours, and pick up the fares that they feel like. They officially only boss the drivers around once they've picked up the fare.

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Post by jpgvm »

general_ai wrote: post #299
ubernostrum wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A serious question: do people who leave comments like yours, and the even shorter ones that are literally just the words "virtue signalling", really believe that doing so presents a devastating critique which will convince others of the error of their ways and change their minds? Or is it something you do to demonstrate your affiliation with a particular set of beliefs and positions? Does this phrase have empirical c…

Nah, a serious question wouldn't presuppose a particular answer. I think you've made up your mind long before you asked it. But I'll oblige anyway. Virtue signaling in this context means that actions of individuals are directed mostly at people within their political and social group, not outside it. Their main purpose is similar to that of a Facebook "like", to communicate adherence to a shared set of beliefs, not t…

One thing I don't understand is why America seems to have developed a sense of us vs them within their own country. Like "coastal elites", wtf? Your biggest and most populous and useful cities are on the coast, they are also where all the immigrants are. It's almost as if one group of people, that has no clue about anything to do with immigration are saying they are massively against it, whilst those that live with the immigrants don't have an issue with it.

America you need to sort that shit out, people that have no business caring about immigration shouldn't have a say on it. They definitely shouldn't be able to out-vote the population of your coastal cities which seems to be your only chance of relevance this century.

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Post by 013 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

The sole point I'll argue in this thread is "so did Lyft". If you're boycotting all ridesharing apps in favour of licensed taxis, that's one thing. But deleting Uber and installing Lyft is misguided.

> "so did Lyft"

"Lyft had continued to operate as well but did not turn off its surge pricing, a company spokeswoman said;"[0] - Exactly, but they managed to stay under the radar as they had less market share. Also both CEOs are on President Trump’s economic advisory group, so what's the reason to boycott Uber?

[0] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/01/2...

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Post by jayajay »

couchand wrote: post #97
jayajay wrote: post #41

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Who is the first doesn't matter. Who does it best, though? That is the real question.

Unless they're perfect substitutes with no meaningful network effects, in which case the real question is: who is cheapest?

touche!

Edit: Well, I slightly disagree. Even if the product doesn't require mass-adoption to be useful, it could surely benefit from branding/marketing and viral adoption to make it the desired product, in which case, it does still depend on who does all of that better. Even if Starbucks or Macbooks are more expensive, they have won their audience and increased their effective marketing force.

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Post by abalone »

vkou wrote: post #306
abalone wrote: post #280

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Right, and on Sunday he followed up by unambiguously calling the ban "wrong and unjust".[1] Which was also a fumble because it sounded like a reaction to the blowback. Also interesting: Uber pledged $3M to help drivers right now. Lyft pledged just $250K/year.. to the ACLU (annual budget: $133M). But Uber lost that one too. People want war with Trump, not diplomacy. As for turning off surge pricing, clearly it was aft…

> People want war with Trump, not diplomacy. The man just unilaterally stranded thousands of permanent residents outside of the country - and the departments enforcing this are disobeying legal court orders to halt the ban. This is a fundamental attack on the rule of law. How exactly do you negotiate with that? "Please, sir, could you stop destroying lives?" Do you think that he is too stupid to understand the conseq…

I'm not endorsing the tactic of joining Trump's advisory board. IMHO people who speak truth to power are talking to the wrong people. I'm just observing why people are responding better to Lyft's messaging than Uber despite Lyft also operating during and after the strike.

I will however point out that if you're boycotting Uber over joining the advisory board then you should do the same for all the others, including Elon Musk's companies. Maybe you should even boycott Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon and all the others that took a meeting with him, since they are also taking a diplomatic route.

Oh, and this is fun: Trump advisors Peter Thiel and Carl Icahn are part-owners of Lyft.

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Post by croon »

hueving wrote: post #213
SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #205

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Normally I would agree, because that's true in most cases. But we're past that here. The Germans went with it, and I'm sure some thought at the start that going along would let them do some good. Look how that turned out. No, it's not okay to just do business as usual here and try to nudge things a bit with policy suggestions. It's time for much more active responses.

Ah, Godwin's Law. I hope when you reflect back on these times in a year or so you realize how childish it was to compare stopping some Muslims from some unstable countries (not even the big Muslim countries) with literally exterminating Jewish people and blaming them for all of the country's problems.

Yeah, thus far he's only blamed them (and Mexicans) for all of the country's problems. Totally different.
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