So you're saying it might be moral to eat the unemployed? They don't pay time or money to anyone, yet they still receive some basic level of access to infrastructure. They take more than they give, and that means killing them and eating them could be a viable way to make up the difference. That's before you get into the fact that we don't give animals a choice in the matter. They can't opt out of our protection and t…
I don't get the beef with cannabilism
Well yeah, cannibalism is only beef when cows do it.
How smart inevitably limits the question by applying a human measure to it. What I am more interested in, is to know how it is smart, not how much. How does it perceive? How does it connect and process information? How does it interract? Is there a way to approach this subject besides shape shifting into an octopus?
It's like an octopus dismissing humans as inferior because our appendages lack suckers. I don't think humans can ever fully understanding other species. Yet, the more we observe, cut, and process other animals, the more of ourselves we discover. Rats dream and laugh! Crows use tools! Dogs understand fairness! Is it really any surprise that we have so much in common?
Exactly.
> We don't see the world as it is, we see it as we are.
I think the key difference here is that dogs were bred for thousands of years, to be our companions, while pigs were bred as food. That's where it comes from.
You are looking at the extrinsic value of a pig, but when it comes to ethics, you should look at its intrinsic value. A pig wants to live just like a dog does. They want to avoid pain and suffering just like a dog does. They seek comfort just like dogs. The fact that they were bred for a certain human purpose, doesn't change any of that.
Intrinsically, an ant, or a fly, wants to live just like pigs or dogs. It's ok to kill ants and flies because it is socially approved by the majority of humans around you. In some communities in china, it's ok to kill dogs for eating them, so a person would feel ok doing it. The animal doesn't matter at all, only the opinion of humans around you. As it happens, lighting dogs on fire is not widely accepted, and killing pigs for food is. It's the culture that matters.
Original video posted by merriam-webster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyY2mK8pxk But they weren't arguing about the plural form, but that cuttlefish win in a battle of intelligence. Also, if you watch the video it says all are correct.
I never said OP wasn't correct
I didn't know that octopus, unlike most names in science, was Greek-derived, rather than Latin.
They taste ridiculously good. However I am conscious of it, and I rarely have it.
Also, they are part of the few edible maritime species whose populations are increasing ( http://www.humanosphere.org/environment/2016/05/rapidly-chan... ).
I believe this is only a current indicator because of less predators. Ie over-fishing.
We don't know, but most studies that look at what does well in acidic oceans come up with jelly fish. Lots of jelly fish.
Octopuses are solitary animals, so they have little in terms of learned behavior. What they accomplish is generated by thoughts originating from themselves.
I used to think that this was the case, however more recent research (popular news article form of it) [0] seems to suggest that that may not be the case. 0. http://www.businessinsider.com/researchers-have-found-an-oct...
Yeah, but a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal? Is that true?
Pigs use mud to avoid sunburn.
« Some people have gone so far, especially with show pigs, as to slather sun screen onto their pigs when they know that they will be out in the sun for a considerable time and they don't want them to get dirty with mud. »
-- http://petcaretips.net/pigs-sunburn.html
You could also just keep your pet pig indoors all the time.
Anyone who thinks animals do not suffer is an idiot. They have nervous system, therefore they feel pain, just like us. They also suffer emotional pain, not just physical. Kill a pig in front of another pig and he/she is going to be terrified.
> They have nervous system, therefore they feel pain, just like us. That's two non-sequiturs in one sentence. I'm pretty sure there exist lifeforms that have a nervous system without an analog of pain. (Hint: If you want to defend your argument, start by defining "pain".) And it's quite egregious to just assume that there exist only one kind and quality of pain in all living animals. (Again, start by asking yourself…