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Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

did you mean potted plants, rather than pot plants?

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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The only things I've heard about Facebook's office, from Facebook employees, is the constant, ongoing battle to keep people from playing noisy games during work hours. The ping pong table has become a battleground.

I used to work there and my team was unfortunate enough to get relocated to a set of desks near a ping pong table during a floor reshuffle. It was noisy, infuriating and a huge distraction. The ping pong noise itself was nothing compared to the shouting, cheering and the noise of the ball inevitably bouncing away across the floor with someone running after it every 30 seconds.

A colleague put in a facilities ticket on the morning of the second day we were there to get the table relocated. Facilities couldn't find anywhere else to put it (because it would've meant simply disrupting someone else's area) and so the table was removed and put into storage. This caused a huge outcry from the ping pong players, but did have the upside of allowing us as developers to do our jobs.

I saw the whole situation as quite ridiculous, given that we were all at work in a company office and getting paid to code rather than to play ping pong. The counter-argument was that the removal of a ping pong table was the thin end of the wedge and the sign that FB was slowly becoming corporate and losing its hacker soul. I guess I can see the point, but the reality is that ping pong is a brilliant game until you have to sit near the table and try to work.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I work in an open office, and have been to Facebook's open office campus many times. I love working in an open office, and think Facebook's campus looks excellent. I think the disadvantages of open offices are radically exaggerated by people who have difficulty imagining how easy it is to book a small conference room for yourself for a few hours, to walk away to a hotel desk in a more quiet part of the office, or (mo…

> how easy it is to book a small conference room for yourself for a few hours, to walk away to a hotel desk in a more quiet part of the office, or (more typically) for the white noise of the central air to obscure everyone's mild sounds as they quietly work.

So open offices are wonderful if you go out of your way to avoid the aspects that make them horrible.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Short of a private office, this would be my top choice. But the big thing, I think -- Put a wall between the hallway and the work area. Too many irrelevant people have irrelevant conversations when they're walking by and it's distracting.

On a related note, people who have a job requiring them to be constantly on the phone should not be placed within earshot of people who need to focus. Sales and support need to have walls between them and developers. Trying to code while someone is on the phone 4-8 hours a day is debilitating.

Also you don't really want customers hearing every ill-thought-out thing that comes out of developers mouths.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

#325

I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

Huh, when I interned at Facebook in the new, open floor building, not only was noise not a problem, I could always walk to one of the many mini-lounge/libraries for absolute silence when I needed to. Plus, headphones and ear plugs are always offered, if I recall.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I think it'd be cool to have sound proof all encompassing glass /plexiglass cubicles with the glass doubling as a screen for communications so you can let in communications with select people, or even use it as a large monitor, etc... but still ahve the peace/quiet needed to code..alternative to that would be noise cancelling headphones and no monitors --instead you where VR that lets you use/resize move monitors anywhere in visible space... But still ahve an open office when you take off the headset/headphones.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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post #321

I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

did you mean potted plants, rather than pot plants?

In the UK, the phrase "pot plant" means "plant in a pot"; no cannabis implied unless the context specifically demands it.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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My guess is the answer is "no, it doesn't scare many off".

I didn't know about the Facebook open-plan office, but I just went through the interview process for a similarly well known company, and everything saw at the interviews and on videos of their offices was the opposite of good.

But it never occurred to me to shy away from the job because of that.

I am sure they know these offices are bad for productivity, but for some reason they like to buy expensive real-estate, the inefficiency is paid for by the savings on rent.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did you mean potted plants, rather than pot plants?

In the UK, the phrase "pot plant" means "plant in a pot"; no cannabis implied unless the context specifically demands it.

Haha, thank you. My heritage is clearly given away by my phraseology :)

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

Huh, when I interned at Facebook in the new, open floor building, not only was noise not a problem, I could always walk to one of the many mini-lounge/libraries for absolute silence when I needed to. Plus, headphones and ear plugs are always offered, if I recall.

For me noise isn't the only problem. People moving around, and walking by my desk is just as distracting.
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