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Re: California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

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Post by SamReidHughes » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 7:40 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #318

SamReidHughes wrote: post #312

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The text you're quoting is nowhere in this thread... Look, teacher pay is in control of the government, not the market. And nurse pay and nursing demand has already had demonstrable impact on students' selection of what to study. (You can observe this by looking at the real world.) Is there a particular hypothesis that you're arguing against? Is it that increasing pay won't attract students to the line of study? Do y…

You two are talking past each other. The response to your "let their salaries increase" pointed out that there are districts (and counties and states) where this simply does not and can not happen given how government policies are structured. Much of that the result of quite deliberate "starve-the-beast" anti-tax policies, but also frequently a simply quite inadequate economic base. In the deep south of the US, say,…

You are basing your theory of ideological agendas on the other guy's histrionics. I don't think the question, "Should we pay teachers more, or should we instead trick more teenagers into taking loans," is one that involves debating whether or not you believe in capitalism, or that needs you posting a bunch of links about segregation all of the sudden.

Re: California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

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Post by dredmorbius » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 11:53 PM UTC

SamReidHughes wrote: post #321

dredmorbius wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You two are talking past each other. The response to your "let their salaries increase" pointed out that there are districts (and counties and states) where this simply does not and can not happen given how government policies are structured. Much of that the result of quite deliberate "starve-the-beast" anti-tax policies, but also frequently a simply quite inadequate economic base. In the deep south of the US, say,…

You are basing your theory of ideological agendas on the other guy's histrionics. I don't think the question, "Should we pay teachers more, or should we instead trick more teenagers into taking loans," is one that involves debating whether or not you believe in capitalism, or that needs you posting a bunch of links about segregation all of the sudden.

Perhaps you might care to revisit your comments above then and clarify what it is you're arguing for, rather than simply against others' statements or views. Because I'm not getting that, and I'm apparently not the only one.

Re: California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

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Post by MiddleEndian » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 9:47 PM UTC

flukus wrote: post #147

MiddleEndian wrote: post #83

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Someone I know (not me, I swear!) was excited to interview an experienced candidate with a fantastic résumé for a test lead position. Said candidate did not know what a unit test was and could not figure out how to write one, even after the concept was explained. I have no idea how this could ever happen.

Were they a manual tester? HR/Recruiters don't seem to know the difference. Should they know about unit tests though? That's a developers job.

I didn't interview said candidate but I am under the impression that web-based integration tests were their specialty. Still no excuse to not at least be familiar with the concept of unit tests.

Re: California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

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Post by kbredemeier » Tue, Sep 13, 2016, 12:29 AM UTC

ajdlinux wrote: post #45

rahimnathwani wrote: post #39

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"It seems like many of the more reputable ones don't charge tuition" The only one I know which doesn't charge is 42. Are there others? Which ones?

App Academy charges its tuition as a proportion of first year salary.

Holberton School[1] does not charge anything up front either, but takes a percentage of salary once placed in a job. If we want to make software engineering and computer science accessible to everyone, I think adopting this type of model is a great idea. We need more diverse minds in the tech industry and this is one way to do it.

[1] https://www.holbertonschool.com

Re: California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

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Post by kbredemeier » Tue, Sep 13, 2016, 12:29 AM UTC

ajdlinux wrote: post #45

rahimnathwani wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It seems like many of the more reputable ones don't charge tuition" The only one I know which doesn't charge is 42. Are there others? Which ones?

App Academy charges its tuition as a proportion of first year salary.

Holberton School[1] does not charge anything up front either, but takes a percentage of salary once placed in a job. If we want to make software engineering and computer science accessible to everyone, I think adopting this type of model is a great idea. We need more diverse minds in the tech industry and this is one way to do it.

[1] https://www.holbertonschool.com