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With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by josteink »

wangchow wrote: post #74
makomk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this slightly understates just how sleazy Microsoft were about it, if anything. Before the dialog that interpreted closing it with the X in the corner as agreement to install Windows 10, they rolled out a similar-looking dialog where that was the only way to avoid install Windows 10 - clicking on any of the buttons in the dialog would cause it to be installed.

Over the past year I've noticed a lot of things mysteriously getting installed, things moving around, etc. I don't mind automatic updates so long as there's a separation from the new features and bug fixes. There should be a base core of apps that are necessary and a set of opt-in add-on features. It's time to move to Linux on laptop/desktop/tablet I think. While I love my surface pro 3 and the Windows 10 experience…

> There should be a base core of apps that are necessary and a set of opt-in add-on features.

Microsoft actually offers this. Enterprise customers requires it.

Disclaimer: Linux user. Can't check which settings are exactly where.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by dang »

cwyers wrote: post #80

Let me be clear to you. If you do not want to put in the "investment and effort to run just so that I can control my computer" required to actually do the job of administering your PC correctly, but still want all the safety features built into consumer Windows turned off for your benefit anyway, STAY OFF THE SAME INTERENET AS ME. You're the electronic equivelent of someone who refuses to vaccinate their kids but sti…

Please don't comment like this here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12306616 and marked it off-topic.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by dang »

graycat wrote: post #90

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by digi_owl »

wangchow wrote: post #74
makomk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this slightly understates just how sleazy Microsoft were about it, if anything. Before the dialog that interpreted closing it with the X in the corner as agreement to install Windows 10, they rolled out a similar-looking dialog where that was the only way to avoid install Windows 10 - clicking on any of the buttons in the dialog would cause it to be installed.

Over the past year I've noticed a lot of things mysteriously getting installed, things moving around, etc. I don't mind automatic updates so long as there's a separation from the new features and bug fixes. There should be a base core of apps that are necessary and a set of opt-in add-on features. It's time to move to Linux on laptop/desktop/tablet I think. While I love my surface pro 3 and the Windows 10 experience…

> I don't mind automatic updates so long as there's a separation from the new features and bug fixes.

And this is why all manner of devices go unpatched, and another reason why IoT will be a nightmare.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by digi_owl »

hendersoon wrote: post #173
plantocorp wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Microsoft employee, this W10 force upgrade things is the single thing that pisses me off the most by far... It goes against everything that we are trying to promote/change. Sometimes I'm really wondering if we work for the same company (I'm not in the Windows division). I feel like all the effort we put in investing in open source, being more open, and just generally a more empathic company is totally destroyed…

I believe this famous comic said it best: http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/ For all Satya's promises, nothing _really_ changed.

In other words, AD is built around MS's corporate structure?

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by digi_owl »

EasyTiger_ wrote: post #28
sotojuan wrote: post #16

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So all the talk about the "new" Microsoft has been for nothing.

Satya Nadella recently said "We want to move from people needing Windows, to choosing Windows, to loving Windows" He sure is going a strange way about it

Must have watched too much anime, as right now this feels like the "yandere" kind of love...

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by dredmorbius »

Endy wrote: post #303
dredmorbius wrote: post #283

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You'll be receiving the invoice for my next refill of blood-pressure medication. I swear to fucking god Linux has lost the beat.

It never found the beat for the needs of John Q. End-User

No doubt that it never penetrated the desktop market as many of us had hoped it might.

It did, however, serve the needs and wants of those of us who'd experienced Unix and wanted that for ourselves. Doing a vastly superior job than the Unixes that started us off in the first place. Speaking for myself, 3.4BSD, Ultrix, SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, DGUX, Irix, AIX, and probably a few others. Plus some other platforms.

The rot started to show with the GNOME Project and PulseAudio. Both introduced a tremendous amount of complexity and gratuitous change with little benefit by way of utility or ease-of-management. Systemd has largely sealed the deal.

The lack of setting on a standard desktop offering has also hurt, and for fairly complex reasons. Red Hat is a commercial success (like Microsoft before it) because of its technical shortcomings, not in spite of them -- they directly feed its revenue model. This is quite unfortunate.

I think Ubutnu made missteps, but was (and may yet be) a superior option.

OTOH, building tools for the billions is hard. I'm willing to admit that. Microsoft only barely manages, as does Apple, and both have had quite notable failures.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by rasz_pl »

jakebasile wrote: post #17

I upgraded willingly so the deceptive upgrade practices, while deplorable, didn't really affect me. What does affect me is that Microsoft refuses to let me control my computer. - If you turn off Windows Defender Real Time Protection it explicitly tells you "You can turn this off, but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on". It turns itself on upon next reboot, it seems. - You can't turn off Windows Update. It…

this is what you want: http://win10epicfail.proboards.com/thread/100/interested-par...

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by rasz_pl »

aquadrop wrote: post #274
ghostly_s wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you've listed is addressable by enterprise users in an AD environment. I.E., Microsoft's real customers. Using a copy of Windows 10 with no Cortana, Auto-updates, Groove, or Windows Defender right now.

I just don't understand what they gain by pissing off power users. Set whatever defaults you want, but let me control when I want it.

Power users find ways around that (O&O ShutUp10, Windows10ReTweaker, etc), MS is mostly pissing off semi competent lazy users
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