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Master Plan, Part Deux

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So what we're concluding is that a company has difficulty remaining competitive unless it fully abuses the system within which it operates? Hmm...

Abuses? How about "utilizes"? The subsidy is there to get more electric vehicles on the road.

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Also millions of miles of fleet learning a day, which Uber doesn't have, since they don't own the cars. Self-driving cars is a supervised learning problem, and he who has the data wins

Data isn't that hard to gather. Uber has more robotics scientists than all the others combined.

Even google(with boston dynamics?)

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I was hoping to see another zero to one approach with the master plan where he is taking on some other industry goal. I totally get that part deux is still very, very ambitious and one that no other company can truly realize. But if we're just talking about Musk's master plan, I'm curious why he didn't talk about the synergies with his other company, SpaceX. Tesla and SpaceX both rely on vehicles & transport while Sp…

Sorry, but solar space harvesting is a post Asteroid Mining kind of tech... Not really "Synergy" for few Decades. (and acceptance of Nuclear space propulsion)

Come to think of it, if you can transfer the energy... Just put the reactors in space?

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Tesla's other advantage is a global fleet that is actively logging millions of real-world miles a day. I don't think that can be understated at this stage.

Google may have a lot fewer miles, but they're much higher quality miles. The sensor suite on their car is much superior, so they're getting much better data. Even if the eventual Google car uses cheaper sensors, the data they get from the superior sensors helps a lot training the algorithms.

Does google collect high velocity data like tesla's? I heard that the google self driving car was limited to 25mph in the areas where they tested it, and so their data may only be reflective of that.

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> via massive fleet learning Is Tesla going to make this data freely available, to accelerate the development of safer autonomous driving software? Given that it's "morally reprehensible to delay release" of autopilot, it is also morally reprehensible not to publicly release such data if more groups working on the task will lead to safer software.

Likely. They gave away all of their patents ( https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you ), so it's likely they'd be willing to share this data.

But they aren't sharing their accident data...

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I suspect Tesla will move into aircraft and oceancraft in the long-run, if you're interested in "other industries." He's mentioned the electric jet enough times. And why would he create a new company for it when he's got all the expertise and business structure at his fingertips already? Solar harvesting in space sounds really cool, but how do you get that power back to earth? Even if there were a way, it's not neces…

If there were a way to collect additional solar energy in space and somehow get it back to earth, that is now a net increase in energy, which will ultimately end up as heat, being delivered to the planet. At a large enough scale and over time this would be a global warming contributor. Solar power collected on earth is just using energy that is already being delivered to the surface -- no net change.

At some point we will need to take an active part in regulating the planet's weather and various climates. Orbiting solar panels on orbits that pass between us and the sun, that can be selectively turned edge on, or perpendicular, to the sun, would let us control solar influx to particular surface regions, limiting energy input in specific places while also harvesting that energy and enabling us to put it to use as needed without increasing total energy/heat input.

Re: Master Plan, Part Deux

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post #243

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So what we're concluding is that a company has difficulty remaining competitive unless it fully abuses the system within which it operates? Hmm...

Abuses? How about "utilizes"? The subsidy is there to get more electric vehicles on the road.

More electric vehicles will get on the road when there is a realistic economic rationale to buy them. Without the subsidy, an $80,000 car that can only go 200 miles is a lot less appealing.

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Tesla's other advantage is a global fleet that is actively logging millions of real-world miles a day. I don't think that can be understated at this stage.

Google has Waze data. Which I would think serves as a GREAT set of labels for the data that the self driving cars collect.

Waze is just where people are going...the data tesla collects could be from sensors like a front-facing camera, radar, 360 degree ultrasonic sensors, etc.

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It's almost as if he's delivered on everything he promised while running the two most difficult companies in America simultaneously! "We'll never have reusable rockets, what a joke..."

> It's almost as if he's delivered on everything he promised hasn't Tesla repeatedly missed price points and delivery dates. Or are those not promises. I actually think most of what he is talking about is pretty doable. The ones I'm skeptical of are his talk about the massive factory improvements (in a few years too?) and the magic buses with no aisles or entrances. By what measure are Tesla and SpaceX the "two most…

By measure of "Hard" technology... Uber is just software.

Electric Cars and Reusable rockets are engineering marvels, not nifty software. That's difficult.

Re: Master Plan, Part Deux

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I still don't understand the SolarCity part. Tesla is atop the best rated electric cars, and has a good trajectory toward that product line future, with lots of innovation ahead. Successful companies like Apple focus on best-in-class products, so Tesla is smart to continue focusing their resources into those product lines. Meanwhile SolarCity has been burning cash on a consistent basis [1], and is sitting in a hyper…

The product isn't solar panels, it's energy. With a huge fleet of electric cars needing to be charged in major metros, where is the electricity coming from?

What if you also have a massive deployment of solar panels on top of existing real estate, that you essentially don't have to pay rent for?

When Teslas are autonomous, and owners are using them to make money by giving other people rides. How are these cars getting charged? And that energy doesn't come for free. Tesla will have their hand in every piece of transportation.

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