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Announcing the Surface 3

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Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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I believe the idea behind not including it is that you can choose the color of your keyboard without them having to anticipate demand for certain colors and package them together. I don't think that's a very good rationalization (just give them an option for keyboard color and ship a second box!), however.

Nobody needs colored keyboards. The keyboard color should just match the device it's made for.

Nobody needs colored keyboards.

You can make this argument all the way down to basic sustenance, healthcare, and shelter. No-one needs more than those things.

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Surfing the web or doing any form of multitasking. But of course, the sad reality is that the only reason there is a 2 GB version is so that they can have a ridiculous premium for the 4 GB version yet still lure customers with the low starting price point. I wonder if, when the market has matured enough, that there will be honest companies making products that tries to make good mainstream products rather than trying…

$100 more for 2x RAM and storage, that doesn't seem like a "ridiculous premium". Unless you mean ridiculous in some other way than the actual dollar amount.

Considering that $100 easily buys you an 8GB so-dimm or an 80 GB intel m.2 ssd at retail prices, I think it is pretty steep for an increase of 2GB of ram and 32GB [ed: whops, 64GB, but still] of storage...

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> I've seen a lot of Windows installs use up more than 64 GB Windows installs themselves or with other software installed? The latter makes sense but I've never seen anywhere close in the former. 32GB would be a bad idea but 64GB I think is fine for the majority of people.

I find it a bit disturbing that giving an operating system 32GB would be considered too small. I've not played with win8, but my win7 install started out at 20GB, and damned if I can figure out what consumes all that space out of the box.

> I find it a bit disturbing that giving an operating system 32GB would be considered too small. I've not played with win8, but my win7 install started out at 20GB, and damned if I can figure out what consumes all that space out of the box.

I just don't think 32GB is big enough in general minus some space for the OS but I don't think I've had the same type of issue as you. The majority of my OS installs have been roughly 10GB which isn't far off from iOS and might include some restore stuff. But it's also been a while since I checked.

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Does anybody have experience of running Linux on previous Surface devices?

Yes, I've been using a Surface Pro 3 as my primary computer since last year, with Ubuntu (dual boot with Windows, secure boot, no problems). It works well enough after I made my own kernel patch to have both multi-touch trackpad and keyboard with the type cover. There are patches for the cameras too but I haven't used them yet. Wireless is iffy but it works every time if I connect manually instead of letting it conne…

> like the lack of suspend mode.

Huh? Some UEFI trickiness, or some kind of quirky intel cpu? Do you mean that it doesn't work for Ubuntu, or that there's no way to get s2disk/s2ram to work on the thing with a Linux kernel?

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Confusing to people actually buying MacBooks, or just to those writing about them? Also even if the current lineup is not perfectly orthogonal because the purpose of the Air is less clear than it used to be, this has happened before when new lines are introduced. What leads you to assert that they are 'rapidly falling away' from anything, rather than just in a transition period with the new line?

The MacBook line has been a mess for years now. There was a bad point when they had retina and non-retina versions for the whole Pro line. The iPad line is becoming pretty nuts. They simultaneously advertise the iPad Air 2, the iPad Air, the iPad Mini 3, the iPad Mini 2, and the original iPad Mini. Even iPhones are starting to suffer from this. It used to be obvious (either pick the best, or decide how much less you…

I'll concede that the iPad line is weird, but I just don't agree with the pattern you are trying to make for the rest of them.

I don't agree that 2 sizes of iPhone is any different from 2 sizes of laptop or two sizes of iPad.

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Worryingly hot in fact. It may not actually be a problem at all. CPUs can run safely up to ~70C or so, which is 160F. This means thin tablets are becoming constrained by what you can safely touch, rather than what is safe for the CPU. http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/MCEN/MCEN5166/supplement...

Those temperatures are OK on a desktop or sometimes even a laptop but having something running that hot in your hand / lap is not so comfortable.

That's the point. He says "worryingly", I'm saying you probably don't have to worry. There's probably no risk of internal damage at "warm/hot to the touch" temps

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I agree, if only because I want adoption of that new connector type to spread quickly. But given that it only has one USB port, I'm not surprised that Microsoft chose not to ship something that would basically require an adapter. I imagine they are shaving pennies to keep cost down without giving up quality, but I wonder what the added cost would be to have two USB ports? (And how much extra the new USB parts would c…

I would think having two USB-C connectors poses a problem. If you allow charging over only one of the connectors, customers will find that highly confusing. If you allow charging the device over both, you have to be prepared for the case where people plug in two power sources (yes, some users will do that, if you give them half a chance). I think your best bet would be to go for #2. I think that requires software (or…

Doesn't the new Chromebook Pixel have to USB Type C ports? So precedent exists.

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I hate to say it but I'm dreading whatever awful television commercials they'll start putting out. They really do make it embarrassing to own a Surface Pro 3.

I don't know about you but all I do all day is constantly click the keyboard on and off, and open/close the kick stand... Just over and over again, like I am a QA robot... But seriously, Microsoft has some of the worst advertising period. I cannot think of a major company which is worse than Microsoft at advertising in general.

They can do it right when they want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZGGIdpfEM

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I had an ASUS tablet a year ago (sold it to my brother who loves it). I do a lot of coffeehouse meetups with fellow entrepreneurs and one thing I loved about the ASUS was the pen and being able to draw pictures easily in OneNote. Having played with the Surface Pro 3 tablet at BestBuy a few times, it's a dream to use. I've wanted a Surface Pro 3, but the price is prohibitive and I already have a Yoga Pro 2 and a MacBo…

> Having played with the Surface Pro 3 tablet at BestBuy a few times, it's a dream to use > So the Surface 3 looks about right. You realize this has much lower performance, and most likely won't give you the same experience, right?

It should manage drawing in OneNote ok, though.

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I respectfully disagree, there's only two raw deals I see with your example: buying a 16GB model, and going to Best Buy. There were always 6 SKUs for any given region (3 size options and 2 connectivity), and now there are 3 colors, and the iPad Mini form factor. That's a lot when you add it all up analytically, but that's not how consumers experience it -- they're not presented with 36 different iPads and asked to fi…

RE: The Zenbook How do companies not get this? Don't call it the Zenbook [Impossible Number]. Call it the damn Zenbook and be done with it. No one cares that its part of the UX300 line, because UX300 means nothing, and you're only going to have three computers in the UX line anyway before you discontinue it. But you know why they do that? Price matching. They can sell a SKU on Amazon for $700 and sell the exact same…

What's particularly galling is when the UX305-XYZ has a different chipset or wireless controller or whatever than the UX305-ABC. You try the XYZ and think, "great! It's got Intel wireless, so I can run BSD without a problem", then you get the ABC and, no, it's on Broadcom for that sub-line.
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