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How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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You missed the bigger point, then: Mob justice is a barbaric and ugly thing; stop patting yourself on the back and thinking you're a good person for being a part of it.

This is not about justice, it's about a bad human being getting what she deserved. When you're an open racist you are a bad human being.

Correspondingly, this thread is about a bad HN user getting what s(he) deserved. When you don't read TFA you are a bad HN user :)

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This is the reality of social media. If you offend the wrong person, you will most likely get fired from your job and or get unwanted attention in other parts of your life..all for just expressing an opinion. It's essentially online bullying by people that want to silence you for having an opinion that is different than their own. The ex-Mozilla CEO knows this well. An online bullying campaign was launched against hi…

Would society really be any better off if people aren't held accountable for what they say?

The coorect response to what most of these people said is for someone to pull them to one side and say "stop being a dick, especially if you're using the company social media account".

Threats of violence, loss of job, weeks long campaigns -- none of that is an appropriate response.

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Do you think people should get fired and ostracized for donating to Planned Parenthood? They literally murder babies. What kind of person thinks murder is ok, and would donate money to help an organization systematically murder? This kind of person does not belong in a position of power, full stop.

How do you define "baby"?

The young offspring of a human

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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Do you think people should get fired and ostracized for donating to Planned Parenthood? They literally murder babies. What kind of person thinks murder is ok, and would donate money to help an organization systematically murder? This kind of person does not belong in a position of power, full stop.

How do you define "baby"?

For the record, I don't think the author was actually trying to defend that point, but instead to highlight how when taken out of context or in hindsight any one of our behaviors could in the future be seen as a real, unambiguously "wrong" act.

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Fair? Do you really think so? If so you terrify me. I've done plenty of really f*cking stupid things in my time. I'm very thankful most of them were offline or pre-internet.

You're terrified by the idea that someone should be fired for gross unprofessionalism? To repeat: she did not deserve ANY bullying or harassment whatsoever. Did you experience consequences of the stupid actions you've taken?

Gross unprofessionalism? She wasn't on the job. It wasn't an official account.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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She has plenty of reason to now explain it as being ironic, but we'll never know if that was her original intent, will we? Her other tweets from the same period strike me immature and mean-spirited.

So you choose to believe she meant she literally cannot get AIDS? Come on.

My point is, it's natural for her to say afterwards that it was meant ironically now that the backlash has happened. Maybe she's just a jerk who got caught being a jerk.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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This is the reality of social media. If you offend the wrong person, you will most likely get fired from your job and or get unwanted attention in other parts of your life..all for just expressing an opinion. It's essentially online bullying by people that want to silence you for having an opinion that is different than their own. The ex-Mozilla CEO knows this well. An online bullying campaign was launched against hi…

Replace "offend the wrong person" with "do something really f*cking stupid" - which is what she did - and the outcome seems fair. No one deserves to be bullied or harassed but consequences need to exist to actions.

The gray text makes it look like a lot of people disagree. So suppose for the sake of argument that lots of people on the internet considered this post "really f*cking stupid" and tried to get you fired for it - would that not be a problem?

I mean presumably you don't think it was a repugnant thing to have posted, but then neither did Justine Sacco.

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It merely illustrates the absolutely craven nature of companies. Her employer is basically a coward.

I have some sympathy for a company whose Senior Director of Corporate Communications instigates a massive PR disaster by joking about Africans having AIDS on Twitter.

"[she] instigates" is the rub.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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When I was on Wikipedia as an admin, someone modified their signature to point to a user who didn't exist. I was pretty pissed off about this, and so I went to the admins noticeboard I'd setup not really that long ago to ask someone to resolve the issue. This is where I did something particularly dumb. I created the account to the non-existent user and posted a few comments on it - then quickly switched back to my Ta…

I must honestly say, I don't get why you'd be pissed off about something like this, nor why would the community lynch you for creating an account. Seems a bit like sect behavior to me (arbitrary rules and punishments).

> Seems a bit like sect behavior to me (arbitrary rules and punishments).

Wikipedia in a nutshell.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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Except for Facebook and LinkedIn, I haven't used my real name and any personally identifiable information on the Internet in 20 years, since I realized that everything I wrote on Usenet would be there forever. There is no value with having the things I say potentially used against me for the rest of my life.

I'm the opposite. I use my real name, or real enough, everywhere. It makes me think twice before hitting enter. Anything I say I'm backing up, for better or worse, with my identity. I may someday regret this decision. So far so good.

You at least admit that it might backfire on you. I try to tell people, you don't get a choice in how people interpret what you say. If an angry mob decides to take one tweet out of context, your good intentions won't save you.
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