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Re: Uber Executive Suggests Digging Up Dirt on Journalists

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Post by just2n »

xorcist wrote: post #302
philwelch wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sarah Lacy is hardly a reliable witness. The whole reason she got involved is because Emil Michael got frustrated with her hit pieces. And if your claim to fame is writing hit pieces, of course an incident like this is going to land right in your wheelhouse and you're going to make hay of it. Don't misunderstand me here--I just think there are two sides to this story, and both sides are assholes.

Oh, victim blaming. Classy.

That's not victim blaming. And victim blaming is not always unwarranted, but you're presenting it as if it's always bad.

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Post by lexap »

throwaway09F911 wrote: post #140
Asparagirl wrote: post #3

Attempting to blackmail the press if they challenge your company's PR? Specifically targeting parents' worst fears by threatening to reveal details of the location of their children? Openly rifling through the location metadata of another female journalist, a customer of theirs, without her consent? Implicitly saying they'll leak customer data of Uber customers who are journalists, the kind of thing that can potentia…

I'm writing this as a throwaway because this feels like mob and pitchforks. I'm a regular here and have no ties to Uber except using it. This whole story feels like they took a frustrated guy venting at dinner and making it into a conspiracy. Meanwhile, Sarah Lacey comments publicly and insultingly on people's political positions, emotions, and dating life. What the man said was very stupid. But it feels a lot like,…

Amen.

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Post by cwkoss »

wpietri wrote: post #288
Edmontonian wrote: post #191

The most recent Pulitzer Prize winner for journalism (Glenn Greenwald) says journalism is an "adversarial" process. However, adversarial is by nature a two way street. Journalists who go digging into the lives of people and businesses need to be prepared for adversarial response. If I'm a business owner that's being investigated by a journalist, I want to find out the who, what, where, when and why. I am entitled to…

Nope. Journalism is a constitutionally protected activity that is a cornerstone of democracy. Without an informed public, democracy cannot work. Attempting to subvert that by threatening journalists is flat out wrong. If you are a business owner, sure, you can legally investigate journalists. But that is very different than threatening to leak material about them to influence press coverage. Also, your "turnabout is…

>Greenwald got the secrets of the NSA, but that does not mean that the NSA is entitled to steal Greenwald's secrets.

I'm sure the NSA disagrees!

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Post by dragonwriter »

wpietri wrote: post #288
Edmontonian wrote: post #191

The most recent Pulitzer Prize winner for journalism (Glenn Greenwald) says journalism is an "adversarial" process. However, adversarial is by nature a two way street. Journalists who go digging into the lives of people and businesses need to be prepared for adversarial response. If I'm a business owner that's being investigated by a journalist, I want to find out the who, what, where, when and why. I am entitled to…

Nope. Journalism is a constitutionally protected activity that is a cornerstone of democracy. Without an informed public, democracy cannot work. Attempting to subvert that by threatening journalists is flat out wrong. If you are a business owner, sure, you can legally investigate journalists. But that is very different than threatening to leak material about them to influence press coverage. Also, your "turnabout is…

> Greenwald got the secrets of the NSA, but that does not mean that the NSA is entitled to steal Greenwald's secrets.

Isn't the underlying theme behind the secrets that Greenwald got that the NSA feels that it is entitled steal everyone's secrets, whether or not the targets have first gotten the NSA's secrets, because NSA?

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Post by general_failure »

blackdogie wrote: post #32

Despite being an impressive company, generating sales, growth fast, expanding internationally, it seems that these founders are a little immature. This isn't the first story about the lack of ethics of the company, and if I was them I would worry about this potential shift in widespread support. Today's shining light can easily be changed into the tomorrows demon. Maybe they could spend $1M on PR to improve the image…

Why bother when people continue using it?

Trust me, people will continue to use it as long as there is a value add - cheaper, better etc. In general, nobody cares about what happens behind the scenes.

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Post by general_failure »

Asparagirl wrote: post #3

Attempting to blackmail the press if they challenge your company's PR? Specifically targeting parents' worst fears by threatening to reveal details of the location of their children? Openly rifling through the location metadata of another female journalist, a customer of theirs, without her consent? Implicitly saying they'll leak customer data of Uber customers who are journalists, the kind of thing that can potentia…

What a sensationalist reaction to a sensationalist article.

> These people are scum. Uber was a neat app, but I have PLENTY of alternatives these days.

You won't consider them only because alternatives exist? What are you trying to say there?

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Post by general_failure »

trevorhartman wrote: post #196
justinv wrote: post #2

Personally, I've stopped using Uber because of the lack of the company/management's lack of ethics. Lyft comes off as a much friendly, consumer-focused company & frankly, my experiences have been better in a Lyft than an UberX. Also - I'm not one to usually browse Buzzfeed, but this was their story to break, so props to them for getting it out there.

I don't want to sit in the front seat and I hate those stupid mustaches.

Same here, it's idiotic.

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Post by general_failure »

justinv wrote: post #2

Personally, I've stopped using Uber because of the lack of the company/management's lack of ethics. Lyft comes off as a much friendly, consumer-focused company & frankly, my experiences have been better in a Lyft than an UberX. Also - I'm not one to usually browse Buzzfeed, but this was their story to break, so props to them for getting it out there.

Uber is quite ok and i have not felt any of the problems which any of the news articles are reporting.

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Post by general_failure »

http://pando.com/2014/11/17/the-moment-i-learned-just-how-fa... http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/11/18/sarah-lacy-ube...

All this overreacting and exaggeration is getting to me. Such terrible writing and she really is going overboard with all this.

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Post by dang »

morganvachon wrote: post #242
just2n wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the author of the story said it was hypothetical. Multiple times.

> Even the author of the story said it was hypothetical. Multiple times. Really? Hmm...Ctrl+F "hypothetical" 0 of 0 results. And here's a screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifydpomabnm8ijb/bfss.png?dl=0 Troll harder.

> Troll harder.

Please don't bait other users, even when they seem to you to be trolling.

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