Now can we put charges on GCHQ for possession of child pornography?
GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
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Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
The analogy is pointing out that homosexuality is not a taboo because it's been exploited, it's being exploited because it's a taboo. Your original statement seemed to suggest that it is still a taboo because those who wish to exploit it want it that way. The cause is not power brokers, it's everyone (or enough of everyone) who makes taboos' shamefulness persist.
I took issue with comparing psychological/social warfare to physical bullets... I felt that while both can be weapons, there is a concrete, perhaps subtle difference between the two.
As subtle as concrete
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to get too far afield from the original post, or to start a religious debate where we end up calling each other Hitler, but I've got some good stuff for you: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) "If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulte…
I've always thought it was odd that people got upset about homosexuality and not about adultery. Religiously they are equally bad. Perhaps it's because it's not really a religious issue (just using that as an excuse). Biologically people are repelled by homosexuality and attracted to adultery. That affects their state of mind, and they look for a reason for that and catch upon religious arguments.
You can say "I am a homosexual", and identify as such. You cannot say "my sexual preference is adultery".
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah - terrible. Other governments do nothing of the sort.
The difference is these countries pride themselves on the freedoms their citizens possess, yet they go behind their backs and surveil everything and anything they can about them, usually using technologies and platforms their own citizens helped devise.
Which countries do not pride themselves on the freedoms of their citizens?
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bit of law you quote is less relevant to GCHQ and is aimed more at LEAs spying on parents to make sure they live in a school catchment area; or local councils making sure people applying for parking permits actually live in a qualifying house. Here is the GCHQ bit of RIPA, which makes reference to part of the bit you quoted. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/section/42 GCHQs mission is to monitor all co…
> The over iew and scrutiny failed and failed hard - i have no idea why anyone thought it was acceptable to gather webcam data. You know, maybe they're not that concerned with decency when setting up a police state. In fact, maybe they figured they could use some facial recognition data on their subjects? I bet the NSA doesn't have any on US citizens though. I mean, how could they possibly monitor Americans when it's…
I am specifically not talking about the NSA - incompetant to the poi t that a temporary worker for a contractor was anle to steal secret documents.
As for GCHQ oversight: it'd need to be a conspiracy spanning government (all parties); judiciary; etc. i'm not saying it couldn't happen, but the alternative (GCHQ lied; the oversight committees were incompetent) is easier to believe.
http://www.gchq.gov.uk/how_we_work/running_the_business/over...
http://isc.independent.gov.uk/
http://isc.intelligencecommissioners.com/default.asp
http://www.iocco-uk.info/docs/2012%20Annual%20Report%20of%20...
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be happy if there was more discussion from 'coverage here on HN' that took a solution based approach to the news. Not trying to be an apologist, but it seems counterproductive arguing about all/nothing approaches, when it's obvious governments are not going to condone blindspots.
Could you expand on that? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
I'm trying to get at how the issue has been in the media for months, and the most recent technological solutions are to put sticky tape over the camera.
I'm surprised there hasn't been at least some protocol/algorithm proposed wherein it's compartmentalized structure is amenable to judicial/democratic process or whatever. Somebody's also gotta come up with something better than VChip/Trusted Computing, and I don't see how media is going to lead to a solution for that issue either.
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be happy if there was more discussion from 'coverage here on HN' that took a solution based approach to the news. Not trying to be an apologist, but it seems counterproductive arguing about all/nothing approaches, when it's obvious governments are not going to condone blindspots.
Could you expand on that? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
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Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why you "leak" it and find a scapegoat.
Anonymous is a loose collective that has already seen headlines in mainstream media, and it's impossible to prove that Anonymous did or did not do something. "Anonymous" takes credit for a lot of things that 4chan had no involvement in, for example. Simply saying "the hacker collective known as Anonymous has released photos of..." and there's literally no way for the general public to dispute it. Anonymous is a prett…
Because of this article, that entire archive of pictures they're holding is now probably worthless, for blackmail value.
So, that's a plus.
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#319This really isn't any worse than the other invasions of privacy that have been revealed – but it's much easier to point at it as an egregious and visceral violation of privacy. Even though webcam stills may be the least important (or useful) spying the US and UK have been doing, this may be some of the best fodder for arguments to limit such activities. So thank you, UK, for being so dumb.
Some insider, the next snowden, should leak the database to the internet. When crying children run to their parents, saying that some posted nude pictures of them, I think, this would an effective wake up call.
Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide
#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The over iew and scrutiny failed and failed hard - i have no idea why anyone thought it was acceptable to gather webcam data. You know, maybe they're not that concerned with decency when setting up a police state. In fact, maybe they figured they could use some facial recognition data on their subjects? I bet the NSA doesn't have any on US citizens though. I mean, how could they possibly monitor Americans when it's…
I am specifically not talking about the NSA - incompetant to the poi t that a temporary worker for a contractor was anle to steal secret documents. As for GCHQ oversight: it'd need to be a conspiracy spanning government (all parties); judiciary; etc. i'm not saying it couldn't happen, but the alternative (GCHQ lied; the oversight committees were incompetent) is easier to believe. http://www.gchq.gov.uk/how_we_work/ru…
> I am specifically not talking about the NSA
Right, and there was no reason to think I thought you were.
> As for GCHQ oversight: it'd need to be a conspiracy spanning government (all parties); judiciary; etc
Yeah, it seems unimaginable that one side of the same coin could be in cahoots with the other! If they tell us GCHQ is being carefully overseen so that it won't do anything naughty, then it must be true! Besides, they're probably only spying on those naughty terrorist foreigners - not Englishmen - so everything is alright!
It's already public knowledge that the GCHQ is saving a copy of every byte passing through England, but hey, they need to do that to fight pedophiles and terrorists, and.. racists, of course!