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Can you follow the logic of the pj post?

Snowden uses Lavabit email service. Snowden leaks top secret material belonging to US and UK. US demands Snowden's emails from Lavabit. Lavabit shuts down.

pj reads news of Lavabit and concludes that email is not anonymous. (Email was never truly anonymous, unless you count anonymous remailers. Surely she knew this.) pj concludes that she should shut down Groklaw. (Why not just warn everyone that she will comply with legal requirements, like Google and myriad other web-based businesses do, for example. Millions of people still use these services even with that warning.) pj concludes that she should no longer use "the internet" (cf. email). (Huh? Email is but one use of the internet; it was designed ages ago and was never intended to be anonymous.)

Are people who leak top secret material and are wanted by US authorities sending emails to pj? If not, then please help me understand pj's logic.

If Snowden sent emails to pj, and pj, like Lavabit, does not wish to comply with authorities and hand over whatever they've got, then I guess shutting down Groklaw makes sense. I guess.

You cannot have a right to privacy as Brandeis envisioned it when you lack any reasonable expectation of privacy. Reading pj's post it sounds like she's abandoned _all_ expectations of privacy with respect to the internet (which includes email among so many other potential uses). This reeks of "all-or-nothing" thinking.

Lawmakers have no reason to exceed the expectations of their employers. If you the voter and taxpayer expect zero privacy, you should not be surprised if that's what is delivered.

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post #192

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Yet you're using gmail and voluntarily surrendering at least part of your correspondence to Google's prying eyes.

And there's nothing necessarily wrong with doing so. It should further be noted that anything you upload to a Google server is automatically packaged and delivered to the NSA by Google directly, so don't send anything to Gmail that you wouldn't want the NSA to access.

Forget the NSA, why should we give our information over to Google? I don't trust the NSA the least bit, but I trust Google even less.

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"Just as 2013 is the year where "ordinary people" have begun to understand that "the cloud" is a scam." Disagree. So-called "ordinary people" don't really know or care about this issue. They care that "hey, my phone calendar syncs with my Google calendar!". They care that "hey, I can listen to my music on my computer, my phone AND my tablet". They care that they don't have to worry about backing up some things (Googl…

This, sadly, is the ultimate truth. We may have already lost this battle for one simple reason: the average person is too apathetic to care what their Government is doing to them. Its not "By the people For the people" anymore. Its By those in power (who aren't elected, by the way) For those in power.

When hasn't it really been like that?

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I have now gotten for myself an email there, p.jones at mykolab.com in case anyone wishes to contact me over something really important and feels squeamish about writing to an email address on a server in the US. PJ could help people understand the real issues if she explained that all plaintext mail is vulnerable. It's not only about the mail host, it's the network itself that's compromised. Switching to Kolab is fa…

> I'd love to see PJ publish her public key and encourage people to learn how to use it. That helps, but it doesn't mask the data groups like the NSA are really after (who is talking to who, and when).

It's definitely a good first step. Iterative development!

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Absolutely, I bet someone in the govt is thinking about giving each citizen say 10GB of free space that is secure from: hackers , identity theft , foreign espionage etc. All the ones that won't use this offer can then be even more meticulously monitored.

Dear lord. This is the darkest comment I have read in a really long time.

...and sell it as part of a internet is a right campaign.

Yeah. http://www.payer.de/kommkulturen/kultur0413.wav

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post #121

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So basically Dell sells computers to the government?

They run their own version of AWS that's sold to the NSA.

Also, they recently bought Perot Systems (remember H. Ross Perot?), a large government contractor with fingers in many pies.

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Without sounding trollish, I believe there is a need for a completely new 'transfer of information' protocol that is as immune as possible to NSA (or other agency) snooping. She's right, the internet is broken. So rather than posting endless articles about how it sucks, and suffering heart-breaking tragedies like Groklaw shutting down, why don't we build something new, something truly beautiful, by which I mean somet…

I2P.

It's been built. I've been asking for years for people to start adopting it. Nobody has been interested.

http://www.i2p2.de/

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post #97

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I don't think that it's useful to be talking about Obama specifically. Before Obama there was Bush Jr, who was the sitting president when most of these programs were put in place. It should be clear now that it's not one specific President, or one specific party, but the whole political class that has been corrupted. Thinking things will get better at the next election will absolutely not help things, unless the issu…

I lot of people were hoping Obama was the start of a new direction. I'm now hoping he'll be the last of the old direction. The big problem to solve is: how do you elect someone different? As long as the two parties get to decide who American can elect, democracy is a hollow gesture. And the media are all in the pocket of the main parties. Honestly, it seems like only Al-Jazeera US might be the only independent news s…

> I lot of people were hoping Obama was the start of a new direction. I'm now hoping he'll be the last of the old direction.

As long as people are hoping for some politician to deliver them from government unaccountable to the people, its not going to happen.

> The big problem to solve is: how do you elect someone different?

Elections are important, but they aren't everything. More needs to be done to think about "how do we effectively hold those we do elect accountable".

> As long as the two parties get to decide who American can elect, democracy is a hollow gesture.

To the extent this is part of the problem, it is probably more tractable if you realize that it is a problem effecting many elections, isn't amenable to a quick one-step fix, and that elections to the Presidency aren't the best place to start.

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No, but yesterday a friend of mine asked me how to back up her pictures from her computer. I told her to use a removable drive. My wife said: "Just store them on Facebook". I said: "The US government makes a copy of anything you upload to the internet." My wife was shocked. Our friend said: "I don't want that." (She's from Hungary). We settled on 32 GB flash drives. Moral of the story: Just like Groklaw, the ordinary…

"The US government makes a copy of anything you upload to the internet" So accuracy isn't really something you're all that concerned with? It is my understanding (and certainly could be wrong) that the whole PRISM thing was the ability for the government to get their hands on any data they wished, not that they're making copies of everything. I believe metadata is stored, which is an entirely different animal.

It's the least untruth.

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post #204

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If no actual surveillance data was leaked, though, that's likely because Snowden is an idealist. It seems that he had access to that data. If the next leaker just wants some cash, things could change. (Or, hell, maybe the previous leaker--maybe spy is a better word here--who didn't get caught because s/he didn't go public, or was purely the victim of an ultra-sophisticated phishing attempt!)

Which is precisely what I was hinting at. The idea that the NSA would be capable of keeping this data absolutely confidential is ludicrous. And that's why in the future (most likely already today) it will be relatively safe to assume that there are other parties, be it individuals or organizations, that have access to some aspect of your private communication.

Bruce Schneier already posted last week on how the NSA 'slipped up' thousands of times every year since 2008 leaking this wholesale vacuumed data all over the place. He advocates for corporations to fight the NSA instead of bending over for them because it's them who will get screwed in the end when their data ends up leaked too

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_nsa_is_com...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1... ..

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