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U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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Post by timdev2 »

kimlelly wrote: post #305
pinaceae wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hey, non-US citizen here. assuming you're a US citizen based on your "outrage". the point of your defence budget (how large is it again) is to project power through the military and intelligence services. it is ASTOUNDING that only now you seem to have realized what the US intelligennce apparatus is doing. of course they are collecting all the data, they are basically replicating google to be able to search within di…

"...your defence budget (how large is it again)" It's about the size of the 10 biggest following countries COMBINED! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_e... That is YOUR hard earned tax money at work AGAINST YOU.

>> hey, non-US citizen here.

> That is YOUR hard earned tax money at work AGAINST YOU.

The guy you're yelling at is a non-US citizen who's point is "for the love of god, you ignorant american, how did you not see what's been happening until now?"

It's completely stupid that this is even a topic on HN, but the worst part is the amount of mindless shitposting going on. I mean, you just replied to a person who starts off with a disclaimer about being a not-american, and your response culimates in righteous but misplaced indignation.

Fooey.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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Post by timdev2 »

res0nat0r wrote: post #260
betterunix wrote: post #155

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"Going to NSA IG or the PSCI's in Congress are protected" Protected and utterly pointless . Congress already knew what was happening. The NSA's IG is not an unbiased observer . Unfortunately, the official channels are broken here. You have members of Congress talking about how these revelations are just the tip of the iceberg . That means that they know more , that they know details that will shock people, and that t…

Do we know for sure that the charges he is alleging are actually illegal ? That I think is the crux of this whole situation. Many people in Congress might know about it and not be doing anything because like we've seen with 'enhanced interrogation techniques', is that the law has been interpreted such that all of this is technically lawful. That looks to be the real problem here.

> Do we know for sure that the charges he is alleging are actually illegal?

No. We don't know their legality. As far as I can tell, there have been pseudo-legal rulings on the subject. But the existence, never-mind the substance, of those rulings are classified. Some people have a problem with that.

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Post by [deleted] »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #7

So now is the time to identify the federal prosecutors who filed this and petition the government to have them fired. In addition, of course, to asking for a complete pardon for Snowden. It also should be noted that any of the Congressional investigations into this mess are perfectly capable of giving Snowden a grant of immunity from prosecution. People ask what to do. There are at least two avenues open to nip this…

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Post by belorn »

gohrt wrote: post #115
belorn wrote: post #72

> The anti-secrecy group Wikileaks has held some discussions ... What is an anti-secrecy group? It sound like something out of Discworld series, where a group is tired of being discovered changed the door sign from "secret group" to "not-secret group". In the world of Discworld, it would likely work too. Is it so hard to write a group behind the whistleblower website WikiLeaks, or the more correct term: A group that…

WikiLeaks published many secrets that were not whistleblows. It's an anti-secrecy site.

Source? What information has been published which isn't a whistleblow leak? Bradley Manning isn't exactly charged with telling about someones secret crush, or where they hide to smoke, or where that secret stash of weed is.

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Post by mseebach »

fusiongyro wrote: post #288
evilduck wrote: post #97

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Has any whitehouse.gov petition ever led to actual action being taken?

It takes ten seconds and costs nothing. I honestly don't understand the argument against it. It may be no better than nothing, but it can hardly be worse.

The argument is the same, but from the opposite end: Because it costs nothing and takes ten seconds. Why should I care about an opinion if the proponent can't invest more than that into it (say, a phone call to your congressman). What other artefacts of zero-cost, (near-) zero-effort expression should be considered in the legislative process?

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Post by sneak »

evilduck wrote: post #97
DanielRibeiro wrote: post #36

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The pardon petition also only needs more 7k signatures: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... Remember that the goal is to get the government address the issue, and show that the people are not fine with the NSA's actions. It would be nice to get them to actually pardon him, but that is a much harder goal.

Has any whitehouse.gov petition ever led to actual action being taken?

No.

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Post by [deleted] »

timdev2 wrote: post #311
kimlelly wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...your defence budget (how large is it again)" It's about the size of the 10 biggest following countries COMBINED! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_e... That is YOUR hard earned tax money at work AGAINST YOU.

>> hey, non-US citizen here. > That is YOUR hard earned tax money at work AGAINST YOU. The guy you're yelling at is a non-US citizen who's point is "for the love of god, you ignorant american, how did you not see what's been happening until now?" It's completely stupid that this is even a topic on HN, but the worst part is the amount of mindless shitposting going on. I mean, you just replied to a person who starts of…

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Post by sneak »

anigbrowl wrote: post #230
krapp wrote: post #225

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If only there were some adversarial process by which these issues could be decided....

...we could enshrine it in our constitution!

And then invent distributed email cryptography systems to keep them from spying on us! And buy that sweet new Nirvana album!

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Post by sneak »

fady wrote: post #21
outside2344 wrote: post #12

I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?

i'm down. i work close to union square. should we create a meetup? let me know. i'm down. fadysfca@gmail.com

We rallied in Union Square the Monday after he revealed himself at noon. Fifty people showed up.

This is a huge deal on HN. But it's simply business as usual for most people.

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