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US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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I've lived under surveillance before, so I feel my perspective might be somewhat appropriate. I won't comment on the specifics (uninteresting and irrelevant, had to do with where I was living). I won't even make a statement about whether it's justified in my case or in general. I'd just ask everyone here to do one thing: Watch this, then ask yourself how you feel (if it doesn't go directly to 6:40, fastforward to it,…

I am not defending the program. But doesn't the program only collect data when there is a 51% percent confidence or greater that the source is foreign? That's a bit slippery, but could be an explanation for his statement.

Gee, I deserve to be constantly monitored for daring to legally enter your entry in order to be a productive member of your society.

Thanks for that.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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How about some kind of non-violent mass protest, it worked for sopa? A million geeks have quite a lot of power, if its focused at one point in time.

What would be the most effective form of protest?

Examples :

Everyone call random phone number on their mobile phones at exactly the same time "Hi, Im your friendly geek, just wanted you to know this conversation is being monitored"

Everyone use TOR for one week.

Everyone tweet "You are being spied on by the US government" at the same time ?

Basically the protest needs to drive home the massive swell of opposition on the issue - so that both sides of the house see it as a political survival necessity to reduce state sponsored surveillance.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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You realize insurance companies make the most money by selling policies that never get exercised, right?

Yes, of course. I was pointing out that Buffett has thought more carefully about terrorism risks than most people, since his business has written very large insurance policies providing (limited) terrorism coverage.

I'm sure he has thought very carefully about how to maximize his profits be convincing people they need terrorism insurance .

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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I'm saddened to see Dropbox on the list. Did they choose to participate or is it mandatory? In any case, we've moved several projects to BTSync recently from Dropbox (for no other reason than to free up space on Dropbox for our personal files) and have been enjoying the service. As a p2p encrypted protocol, I imagine it's much more difficult to eavesdrop on your files and would actually require a warrant to obtain. I…

Is there an open source dropbox-style app that I can install on my own server?

Other people have offered some more "modern" options, but SFTP and WebDAV over SSL still work very well.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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Are you really playing Devil's Advocate when you argue a position because you actually believe in it?

It's more of a job title.

You being paid to post here?

Wish I could say that I was surprised.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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I think it's interesting to ask why these programs are so widely hated. These are national security assets: evidence gathered here will never be used in a drug case, or a tax evasion case. Why not? These tools exist for the bigger fish: the dozens of Soviet-era nuclear weapons believed to be missing, or the small amounts of dangerous pathogens that periodically vanish from research labs. These are what the government…

The loss of privacy is massive in comparison to the lives lost to terrorism. More people die each year due to car accidents than have lost their lives to all terrorist attacks on US Soil. If the information that is being gathered is about safety, then why isn't the government isn't creating a massive program to strictly monitor highway speeds, traffic roadways, and increase traffic safety then? Answer: The informatio…

Here's a Devil's Advocate position (not necessarily my personal beliefs, so please don't downvote based on disagreement. Just rip it to shreds instead!):

The fear of losing privacy to the government is based on the fear that this increased surveillance will be used by the government to smother dissent. This is a valid fear, but has the government yet used surveillance to smother dissent? If you can find a solid example of this, I'd like to see one (and for all I know, there could be many, I'm genuinely interested).

Until the government has been caught using surveillance to stifle dissent, it seems like increased surveillance only serves to reduce crime. Of course, there are illegal things that, in my opinion, should be legal, but this is a reason to petition the government for change, not break the law... perhaps a reduced ability to break pointless laws would galvanize the population into large-scale activism?

Fear of government surveillance is entirely fear of smothered dissent. We must make sure our fears of the latter are logically sound before we fear the former.

EDIT: Because I love arguing with myself, I'll point out that it's possible some wrongly illegal activities may be embarrassing for some individuals, and they would be hesitant to openly campaign for them. It still feels weird to argue for privacy on the grounds that people have a right to get away with certain things, hmm...

EDIT 2: 15 minutes and already COINTELPRO negated the argument. Good counter, thanks.

EDIT 3: Really appreciate that I seem to have gotten at least one upvote. I get really dismayed when politely-expressed unpopular opinions are downvoted, because I feel the best way to move the dialogue forward is to engage with opposing views, not hide them (even if your level of engagement is comprehensive refutation, that's still useful).

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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I'm perfectly aware of where it comes from, and I interpreted it according to the normal rules of English grammar. Just because it's against the spirit of totalitarian government doesn't alter the meaning of the words. After all, the NSA is not denying you information when it collects records of your phone conversations. It's doing so when it denies engaging inthis practice, but if the NSA (or those delegated to over…

It's impossible to have a meaningful conversation if you intentionally view anyone else's opinions in the worst possible light . You may have a valid interpretation of what I said, but it's clearly not the interpretation I intended to convey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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At a very minimum - this guy needs to be tried for perjury and removed from his post. And millions of americans should sign a petition to have this happen.

ahh petitions. Lets make it an online petition, that way we don't even have to do anything than click and type and spread our online outrage instead of actually making this issue a big deal.

Petitions are easy. Its just a simple statement of your belief; but when they get big enough, we call them something else: ballots.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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We have such a massive program, according to many; the NTSB is a big bureaucracy and a lot of people consider the whole concept of speed limits and traffic police as a encroachment upon their freedom rather than a reasonable collective decision on how to share transit arteries. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. This seems a rather inappropriate apho…

> NTSB is a big bureaucracy Of 400 employees. If PRISM only really costs $20M/year (per the slide deck), it has to be the greatest bang-for-buck IT project in Federal history. I'd let it go if we can get rid of all those multi-billion satellite projects and 3/4ths of the staff. Damage to perceived 'rights' is OK, as long as it is done efficiently.

Damage to perceived 'rights' is OK, as long as it is done efficiently.

What do you mean?

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