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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by fragmede »

ryandrake wrote: post #108
mcmcmc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a classic get rich quick scheme. Wanna run a business and make money without actually doing anything? Try our AI!

Out of all the people I know, the exact same set of people are in to LLMs now who were previously into: NFTs, then Crypto before that, then Online Poker before that, then Dropshipping and LeadGen before that. The Venn diagram circles overlap exactly.

All that really says is that they didn't get big out of any one of those. If one your "people" had gotten big off of online poker, say, would they be teaching the poor to code, or giving them mosquito nets?

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Post by MentalM »

arjie wrote: post #50
fcjr wrote: post #13

Pion is already the name of a very well established webrtc project: https://github.com/pion/webrtc

Yet another example of intellectual property maximization in action. Hacker News / Reddit style communities are very intellectual-property focused. It’s quite interesting to see. Back when I was young, communities like this were anti-IP. Now most such forums are very pro IP with a maximalist view of copyright and, in this case, trademark. Fascinating to see this shift happen.

I mean AI will take our jobs first, so we're actively engaging in Luddism and are somewhat biased towards the legal instruments that could help to stop progress and save our high paying jobs to ourselves at the expense of the rest of the society.

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Post by echelon »

lumpysnake wrote: post #310
cuttothechase wrote: post #308

>>>This is why we’re releasing Pion today. Pion is available as a research preview. If you have an existing business or an interesting business idea you want to hand off to AI, please sign up on our waitlist to get access. We’re excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities. Why on God's earth why? Can't you just unleash your AI to "create…

They can't. Nor can OpenAI or Anthropic. If they could create real economic value using their models, they would. Replacing coders is the best they got. Or solving super niche mathematical conjectures.

To be fair, that's a huge cost reduction and economic boon.

And the labor potential of an individual coder has also jumped tremendously.

These two simultaneous effects will have a massive impact on economic productivity.

It's happening to graphics design, advertising and marketing, film and media, game design, and legal work too.

AI is here and is making big impact. It just isn't evenly distributed or fully capitalized upon yet. That'll happen in time.

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Post by thenthenthen »

eqmvii wrote: post #160
Nevin1901 wrote: post #132

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human will be able to cut through the noise with quirky advertising, new/novel distribution methods, etc. Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. These specifically require doing something unique or interesting. Sure, maybe LLMs can help with fulfillment or operations, but distribution still remains the hard part.

Not to mention CONNECTIONS, of which LLMs will start with 0 and never acquire more.

Not sure why the downvotes… my company solely survives on the connections and trust made over time. Real human connections, face to face. This in turn established a reputation.

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Post by fwip »

PierceJoy wrote: post #97
LargeWu wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off. First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.

People’s bullshit detectors have gone off on the launch of basically every single billion dollar tech company. That’s the downside of being early. No one believes it will work. If everyone believed it, you’re late. I’m sure I could find a comment such this, basically verbatim, on the launch post of every successful startup to come out of YC.

I'm sure all of them have a few skeptics. I'm not sure if any of the successful launches here were this negative.

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Post by jvwww »

LargeWu wrote: post #27
LargeWu wrote: post #16

Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?

Downvote if you want, but this is a very relevant question. If their marketing is to be believed, they would be eating their own dog food. This very analog to the Meta executives who won't let their own kids near social media.

These types of comments remind of when Cognition launched Devin and everyone was hounding on their website saying "Oh can't Devin build something better than this", etc.

And well here we are 2 years later and Devin is great.

In startups, you launch early.

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Post by layla5alive »

_hugerobots_ wrote: post #295
KingOfMyRoom wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything you can share about this time?

It took a very unrealistic amount of time to realize that the IP theft, artificial blockers and corruption had started a lot earlier than presumed. The Nortel dismantling should be taught as an example of infoSec espionage on the levels of corporate terrorism.

Can you elaborate? I don't think this is a well known topic at all

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Post by nonethewiser »

tantalor wrote: post #214
Nevin1901 wrote: post #132

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human will be able to cut through the noise with quirky advertising, new/novel distribution methods, etc. Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. These specifically require doing something unique or interesting. Sure, maybe LLMs can help with fulfillment or operations, but distribution still remains the hard part.

skills/advertising_and_sales.md skills/novel_distribution.md skills/unique_and_interesting.md Naive to think you can't reduce these to instructions.

You can get some interesting new ideas out of it but it takes some work. Especially when a prompt is stateless. It need to know about it's previous novel ideas but also not be polluted/directed by them. Im not sure what it would take to get it to continuously churn out novel ideas.
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