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Post by bakies »

taoh wrote: post #184
bakies wrote: post #42

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I was merely asking a question. I'm not a native English speaker so if my comments sounded offending, I didn't mean it. I don't follow Musk on X. I have no political interests. I read news about SpaceX, Tesla, and X and that's it. I'm focusing on building my own product and company. Just somehow curious when I read the previous comments so I asked.

Alright I apologize if it was a serious inquiry. He's been very involved in Nazi politics in the USA and Europe and his companies show exactly no ethics. Here's what I can think off the top of my head. Grok is a child porn generator, and primary use is "nudification." He's got illegal gas turbines powering his data centers. Grok code uploads your home dir to his cloud when launched. He paid people to vote for trump. Said he'd go to jail if a Dem was elected. Gave two Nazi salutes at Trump's inauguration. Unbanned white supremacists on Twitter. Banned trans speech at the same time (big free speech guy was the excuse for unbanning nazis). When he was in the government DOGE deregulated his own industries and cut jobs that were specifically investigating him. Saved no money which was the whole goal. Doge also appeared to steal a ton of data related to social security and other sensitive stuff. When he launches compute into space to avoid regulation I'm sure it's not because of land but so the FBI can't seize it.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by dgellow »

brookst wrote: post #288
dgellow wrote: post #216

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I’m talking specifically about the AI industry

Well, how does it compare to the internet industry?

Let me know, I personally don’t see meaningful comparisons to make between the 2

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by SilverBirch »

Just so I'm clear, Grok bot snags your credentials and then pretends to be you whilst surfing the web. If it uses your account to post of X (ie, the social network), is it adhering to X terms of service or is that violating policy by using a bot?

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by xorcist »

elwebmaster wrote: post #157
XCSme wrote: post #78

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Will we have any way to know if a submission was done by a human or a bot?

We are doing AI screening. Candidate works with AI for 15 minutes and session is recorded. We review real output not AI generated resume. If candidate can get AI to apply and produce meaningful output then maybe we should hire that candidate. Currently outputs are manually reviewed but easy enought to have AI screen outputs.

If I am applying for a job, I invest my (valuable) time in them. I expect my counterpart to return that favour.

Anything else would be a quick bail for me, and I expect over time anyone who hires in disrespectful ways will get the candidates they deserve.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by fny »

Gormo wrote: post #304
raincole wrote: post #46

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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

> If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to. I'm sure mainframe time-share providers in the '60s and '70s were salivating at the possibility of computers mediating most business tasks, too, completely unaware of the microcomputer revolution that was about to happen.

But we do live in this era, no? What is cloud compute other than a time share?

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by xorcist »

brookst wrote: post #287
slg wrote: post #70

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Everything is becoming wildly inefficient, all in the name of improved efficiency.

Your comment reminds me of the move to packet-switched and routed networks, which were much more complicated than connecting wires end to end. And yet…

The only way that argument makes sense is when inverted. Packet switched networks did not compete with loose wires hand placed by polite women. They competed with circuit switched networks which emulated that network architecture.

And packet switched network equipment were much, much, much more simple than their time divisioned counterparts. On the same budget you could run an order of magnitude fatter pipes using ethernet switches rather than ATM switches. That's also why they won.

Simpler and cheaper architecture end-to-end means the same budget can be spent more wisely. That's usually what wins in an open market.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by dgellow »

Manfrednotfunny wrote: post #295
nik282000 wrote: post #192

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It's greed at the top pushing the market into insanity. "AI" vendors are dangling the carrot of "eliminate manpower" in front of the manpower-owning class and they are throwing everything they have at it. The wealth that's been thrown into this hole could have payed for a couple million work-years of developers.

If AGI is the next evolutionary goal, its the difference between being stuck and not. Wealth is also only relevant in a capitalistic system, which we invented. It could easily be that all other species never created capitalism and are therefore waiting for us somewere which we will not reach because we are stuck on 'wealth'. And if we are stuck in a local minimum, it might seem that GPT-2 broke us out of there.

Or LLMs will end up being the local optimum we organize society around and sacrifice everything to, and end up not being the child dream of infinite wealth and benefits the AI boosters believe in. laissez-faire capitalism tends to result in power concentration and the creation of a distinct class of hyper-wealthy and powerful individuals with close to infinite power to dictate the future. That’s pretty much the situation we are in.

If the current AI bet turns out to not be the next revolution, what’s the plan? What will be the pivot? What happens to all the capex and commitments, the reputation of all the people who promised that was the journey to the holly land? The answer is that there is no plan, AI has to work to justify the system itself. It’s almost a natural result of the economical and ideological system we conceived.

It’s really not that different from blockchains, though at least LLMs have some actual use cases. But there is a complete disconnect between the actual ROI and the vision sold by the AI folks

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by Neywiny »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #208
dylan604 wrote: post #102

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This is what happens when you place a "contact us for a quote" form on your website. You will get a high percentage of requests that lead no where. Do you have any experience with a company that receives RFQs to land business? You will spend a lot of time answering all of the questions and digging around to ensure you can actually do what is requested spending days/weeks on it. Only for the work to go somewhere else.…

Those businesses are welcome to publish their prices if they want to avoid that

At some places I've worked, we still get a quote anyway. This may come as a shock to the purchasing team, maybe not, but it's always come back with the price on the website. Just the SOP for us I guess

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by xorcist »

raincole wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #35

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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

High cost of doing business is what makes societies stagnate.

We've seen that over and over again throughout history, and we will see it again it we continue too far on this road.

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