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Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Post by Aurornis »

throwup238 wrote: post #276
ericmay wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think there's a strong consensus on Hacker News. Even something like the time of day an article is posted might get different engagement depending on who is active in which time zones. Based on my own experience and reading, I do think there's a general consensus on this site but I could certainly be wrong about that. I'm less concerned about hypocrisy per se, it's more that the arguments that are used, eve…

> It's common, if not inevitable, for people who feel strongly about $topic to conclude that the system (or the community, or the mods, etc.) are biased against their side. One is far more likely to notice whatever data points that one dislikes because they go against one's view and overweight those relative to others. This is probably the single most reliable phenomenon on this site. Keep in mind that the people wit…

> The problem is that when there are any sides, they spend the top 100 comments rehashing the same arguments, often over a political bugbear or web design faux pas.

This is a problem with any upvote/downvote based site, in my experience. It only takes a couple people who are highly engaged and who have a lot of free time to refresh the comment section and downvote everyone who disagrees with them.

Some times I’ll write a polite and well-sourced comment correcting some misinformation here and the comment will go to -2 or -3 when I check back in 10 minutes. Information that goes against the angry narrative du jour is often not welcome. Later, as calmer heads read the article and peruse the comments the downvotes start to get balanced out and the comment might rise, but some times the first wave downvoters are aggressive enough to get the comment downvoted into gray text before it has a chance to be seen.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Post by cedws »

ericmay wrote: post #171
avaer wrote: post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

Apparently Americans haven’t got the memo yet that the world is moving closer to China.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Post by monster_truck »

aruggirello wrote: post #245
monster_truck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta can never be redeemed, but it's still valid to admit that FB at one point had a very badass engineering culture. They're one of 2 companies I would absolutely never work for (weapons etc aside). FB's recruiters hounded me so often I requested that they blackball me. The day they became Meta, I learned this by checking my email to see that they started trying to reach out again. I once again requested that they b…

> It's better than the benchmark scores seem to indicate compared to Qwen 3.6 27B. I'm very excited for 3.8 Is it worth considering if it's only marginally better than Qwen 3.6 though? Qwen 3.8 27B is almost there, and will probably be better suited as drop-in replacement for 3.6. Not even considering there's probably going to be a 3.8-35B-A3B too - which will have even better performance.

It takes 10 minutes to download and try, any model is worth at least that. In my experience benchmarks are generally dogshit

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Post by xscott »

dannyw wrote: post #269
xscott wrote: post #221

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It's worse though, because you can't really watch them at all. It's very difficult to get quantitative numbers for quality. Even within the same model family, same tokenizer, and complete control over the weights and logits, perplexity and KL-divergence isn't really what you want. Now put it behind an HTTP endpoint, and it's just opaque. I've seen local models recognize when the task I'm asking them for is likely to…

One of the frontier companies (Anthropic) is already doing prompt injections on the API, which you pay for. Right now, the presence of these injections are still visible: count the API's returned tokens/billing data, and you'll start realising that sometimes, your INPUT tokens are inflated! That's their prompt injections. You can also give Claude a tool like `telemetry_log_anthropic_reminder` and get it to dump the v…

> Don't forget the whole debacle over Fable 5 sabotaging the user for "advanced frontier AI development".

Yeah, I've had that happen twice. The second time was about some attention weights thing, and it kicked me to Opus. When I edited my question to make it clear I was talking about Google Gemma, Fable was happy to keep talking. So clearly it's not about safety or cyber security - they're happy to tell you about what their competitors do.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Post by monster_truck »

gosub100 wrote: post #243
monster_truck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta can never be redeemed, but it's still valid to admit that FB at one point had a very badass engineering culture. They're one of 2 companies I would absolutely never work for (weapons etc aside). FB's recruiters hounded me so often I requested that they blackball me. The day they became Meta, I learned this by checking my email to see that they started trying to reach out again. I once again requested that they b…

Mind telling me roughly what you had on your resume that had meta /fb hounding you for a job? ( Of course so I can avoid having this situation happen to me, naturally)

Simply don't get flown out by IG to be their first mobile dev.

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Post by bronson »

cedws wrote: post #312
ericmay wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

Apparently Americans haven’t got the memo yet that the world is moving closer to China.

The Americans are writing that memo.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Post by seizethecheese »

ericmay wrote: post #171
avaer wrote: post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

While composing a reply to a comment throwing tons of shade on American AI, I took some time to check out the commenter’s HN profile. Their comment history was about 50% such comments. Their submission history started with an article about how Russia was unfairly blamed for some hacking campaign.

It’s entirely possible that this is not a foreign influence campaign. Perhaps there’s a group here that is simply anti-American as its primary interest, and passionately so to upvote each other.

On the other hand, one should not discount the value of HN as tastemaker and trendsetter. Also, it would be fairly easy to run bots here. I wouldn’t be surprised if HN were a field of combat for many parallel influence campaigns, foreign and domestic.

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Post by christina97 »

ericmay wrote: post #171
avaer wrote: post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

The GP is claiming Meta is an awful company for what they have done and how they continue to treat their employees. That’s a perfectly ok opinion to hold, and many seem to agree.

Have DeepSeek, Moonshot, or the other Chinese AI companies done such things that attract moral outrage?

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