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ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by raesene9 »

binarymax wrote: post #72
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #34

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It's comparable, but not the same. For some tasks, it's better. Opus refuses tasks for me pretty regularly. GLM 5.2 has never refused a task. So for anything security-related or that touches on topics that trigger Opus's safety guardrails, I use GLM 5.2. OTOH, for anything related to UI design, I use Opus 4.8. It's much better at taking relatively vague descriptions of user interfaces and a mockup of a related UI and…

What kinds of tasks does Opus refuse? I’m a light daily user for the past 3 months and Opus has never refused a task for me.

The later Opus models (4.7/4.8), Sonnet 5, and particularly Fable 5 will refuse to do tasks related to offensive security.

One example I've hit is working on a benchmark of how well LLMs handle Kubernetes security tasks, there's a section on them exploiting security misconfigurations. Opus 4.6 was fine with that section, 4.7 and 4.8 saw some refusals and Fable point blank refused to do any of it.

The only other model I've seen refuse is OpenAI GPT-5.5, all the open weight models seem fine with it.

Ofc if you need to do that kind of work a lot you might be able to get on OpenAI/Anthropics allow-list for cyber work.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by dizhn »

versteegen wrote: post #193
dizhn wrote: post #14

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It's only a cli because they yanked out the opencode desktop code. (As well as the opencode go/zen model provider) Edit: my theory is they wanted to mimic being the primary provider in a quick way with a lot of string replace. Though they could have added opencode back as a regular provider.

MiMo Code adds a lot of cool orchestration features to OpenCode! It definitely is NOT a quick find-replace job, it's genuinely someone's research project to create a better agent harness building on top of free software, and that's awesome. See https://mimo.xiaomi.com/blog/mimo-code-long-horizon

They did remove the opencode provider though and the desktop and web interfaces. I was trying to be charitable.

By the way, their repo was a bit weird with no changelogs at all. It seems to be picking up speed now with their communication. I actually read in the changelog just now that their Compose (plan/executre/review etc. something like that) flow is now deterministic with software instead of just prompts. That could be really good.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by simjnd »

estearum wrote: post #125
preg_match wrote: post #104

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It’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.

lmfao You know you're sitting here on the open Internet complaining about the US government with literally zero fear of any repercussions in any sense whatsoever? You should go to an actual authoritarian country and just ask someone their opinion on their government. The difference between flippant, hyperbolic complaining (you) and someone who will actually glance over their shoulder and totally clam up in response t…

The fact that (for now) there are no consequences has no connection to the original point about privacy.

The fact that China acts punitively with the data they gather on their citizens, and the US does not (yet), doesn't change at all the fact that the US actively harvests that data in a very aggressive way.

There may or may never be a time where the US starts acting on it, covertly or openly. But still, they're siphoning all of my data, and all of yours too and I don't see why we are downplaying it by saying it's worse elsewhere.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by simjnd »

pkulak wrote: post #92
Natfan wrote: post #90

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also abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time

Yeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.

It's far from the top shelf, and even then I can totally still compare. I would say the very concept of privacy (at least when it comes to digital presence) does not exist in China. There are no expectations of privacy and if you need it you have to circumvent the rules.

This is worse don't get me wrong. But doesn't take away anything from the fact that the case here is indeed abysmal.

Surprises me that on Hacker News of all places, where people are tech-literate and educated, people still seem to trust our companies and governments as if they didn't have an established track record of spying and screwing us over.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by edouard-harris »

SwellJoe wrote: post #171
scorpioxy wrote: post #151

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Is the trust concern for the agent running in any form on your machine? Like in a VM on your machine as well or do you mean on the host itself? I have read about people giving an agent full access to their main system saying they have nothing of value. To me, that's a strange opinion to have with the distinction between what's private and what's secret.

I don't run agents directly on my desktop/laptop machine. I run them in VMs or containers (sometimes in containers on VMs). There have been too many credentials stealing exploits via prompt injection and the like for me to be willing to let an agent roam around on my personal system. I've also started creating new github deploy keys for each repo in use on a VM, so the blast area for any given agent disaster is "a co…

> The agents have sandboxes, but those are loose. Not enforced by anything outside of the agent harness itself.

You might want to check out Ant's open source srt [0], I use it to contain my local coding agents. It's strict by default and enforced at the OS layer.

[0] https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by [deleted] »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #93
simjnd wrote: post #76

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Thank you. It doesn't make sense to me how much people trust our companies so much more than Chinese ones for no reason. This country has an abysmal track record when it comes to respecting its citizen's rights or privacy. Propaganda working as intended I suppose.

China is still doing horrendous things to its population that the US stopped doing over 100 years ago. Not the same.

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Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

LtWorf wrote: post #296
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #197

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> China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people. No, they use it on their own people. Come on, the USA is bad, but comparing it to China isn’t going to show the contrast you are looking for.

I see the USA propaganda is working.

Thats not propaganda. If you are a Chinese citizen who went through the Chinese Ducati in system, are you telling me they successfully convinced you that nothing happened in 1989? Or more people didnt die in the siege of Changchun than say when Japan invaded nanjing?

PLA has always been focused on battling other Chinese, it’s literally in its name [the L stands for liberation, it’s still an army aimed at domestic subjugation rather than doing anything abroad).

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by lelanthran »

jorisw wrote: post #310
lelanthran wrote: post #295

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> and the idea that the harness is part of the the moat, That idea is wrong, though. These same people thinking harnesses are part of a moat are also boasting that s/ware is easily writable now. There's no secret sauce in a harness that you can't vibe-code into your own harness.

> vibe-code into your own Except you'd need the knowledge of what to vibe-code, no?

> Except you'd need the knowledge of what to vibe-code, no?

What knowledge? If you've used a harness, you know what it is supposed to do for you!

What further knowledge do you need that can't be extracted from an existing harness?

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