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Labour was cheaper back then. Even valuable jobs can stop making sense if the costs outweigh them. That's the difficulty with automation making other sectors more efficient, wages get driven up while your productivity stays the same.
> That's the difficulty with automation making other sectors more efficient, wages get driven up while your productivity stays the same. The root cause of that is minimum wage - if you raise it then automation becomes important, and where you can't automate it drives up prices of essential goods. So a doorman is either automated away or needs a raise to afford to live.
The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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> This you will have in due time when you enter the eternal sleep. I already look forward to that a lot more than most people think I should. > life is to be enjoyed. I never really figured out how to do that reliably. > Usually they have baggers as well, even though I don't mind bagging my groceries. If they have baggers, that would be a genuine advantage. I've literally only seen them in films though (unless you wa…
A job is not a persons identity or destiny. The world has long ago moved on from the paradigm that the first job you do is where you stay for the rest of your life. The baggers in my local supermarket are high schoolers getting some extra money, while probably studying. It's good for them to learn the basics of what it means to do a job, and be exposed to other people in the community except for psychotic screeching…
Yeah. It's just the place you spend 8 hours every day.
Imagine the job instead was digging holes (not for any actual purpose. Just digging and filling in holes so that people could 'have a job'). Would you be saying the same things?
Bagging is at least an actual service, but it's not far away in my mind.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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Using this alleged “pattern recognition” as an excuse for learned helplessness, and justifying theft from other victims of these top 0.000001% (if you believe that) is absolutely a loser mindset, yes.
You're confused. Either the world is one way or it isn't. Simply deciding it isn't might make you feel like a Chad but it doesn't make you any less of a fucking idiot. I know you think you can will meritocracy and the glorious principles of Democracy into existence and that's really cute, I'm sure it helps you get through each day, but recognizing that it's cope doesn't make you a loser.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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A job is not a persons identity or destiny. The world has long ago moved on from the paradigm that the first job you do is where you stay for the rest of your life. The baggers in my local supermarket are high schoolers getting some extra money, while probably studying. It's good for them to learn the basics of what it means to do a job, and be exposed to other people in the community except for psychotic screeching…
> A job is not a persons identity or destiny. Yeah. It's just the place you spend 8 hours every day. Imagine the job instead was digging holes (not for any actual purpose. Just digging and filling in holes so that people could 'have a job'). Would you be saying the same things? Bagging is at least an actual service, but it's not far away in my mind.
By the way: If you'd like some cheering up, shoot me an e-mail (from my profile). Things don't have to be hard, and most of the times solutions to our problems is much easier than they seem, but gets ignored because we think it has to be hard.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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> That's the difficulty with automation making other sectors more efficient, wages get driven up while your productivity stays the same. The root cause of that is minimum wage - if you raise it then automation becomes important, and where you can't automate it drives up prices of essential goods. So a doorman is either automated away or needs a raise to afford to live.
It's not just minimum wages. If productive sector employees' demand for goods causes inflation, prices will rise. If you want to keep your nurses/doormen/teachers you'll have to increase their wages regardless of what the minimum wage is.
I'm not sure what you mean. Prices rising is what we call 'inflation' - one doesn't cause the other. They're the same thing.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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It's not just minimum wages. If productive sector employees' demand for goods causes inflation, prices will rise. If you want to keep your nurses/doormen/teachers you'll have to increase their wages regardless of what the minimum wage is.
> If productive sector employees' demand for goods causes inflation, prices will rise. I'm not sure what you mean. Prices rising is what we call 'inflation' - one doesn't cause the other. They're the same thing.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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These are absurd positions, invented solely for the purpose of being contrarian and not because any of them make any sense or add any value to the conversation. I'm so tired of this thoughtless, tired crap passing as legitimate discussion. > physical menus are hard to update It is not hard to print a few sheets of paper off a word document. > physical menus are often too simple, requiring asking the server questions…
The assumption that I'm just being contrarian is inaccurate and a bit rude. To respond to just one or two items: Printing is no longer as easy as it once was. I bought an ink jet printer a few weeks back because my wife needs to print. Setting it up took an hour, and it had streaks out of the box. I spent fifteen minutes figuring out how to clean the print heads, we'll see if that worked. I don't understand your comm…
If it's not the case, then I would have expected like, some actual thought behind anything you posted, instead of just a random list of silly, nonsensical objections.
> Printing is no longer as easy as it once was. I bought an ink jet printer a few weeks back because my wife needs to print. Setting it up took an hour, and it had streaks out of the box. I spent fifteen minutes figuring out how to clean the print heads, we'll see if that worked.
I'm not clear what you think you're saying here. If my business depended on a printer, do you think I'd maybe buy one before I opened it, and ensure I had menus printed? Do you think they're printing menus as they need them? Do you have any idea how a restaurant functions?
> I don't understand your comment on searching. It is literally true there is no "search" for physical menus -- only human scanning. And browsers do have a search function. If it's unintuitive, that's a universal problem that can be improved.
Of course there isn't a "search", but what on earth do you think "human scanning actually is"? What a bizarre interpretation of reality. But that's also why, as I said, they've laid out the bloody menu in an intuitive way, so that you can find the pancakes in the breakfast section. Again, this is the kind of thing you only say when you're trying to be a contrarian, and not when you're trying to raise any actual objections or counter arguments.
> I didn't say splitting the bill is not easier for the customer. I said it's not easier, because I was including the server's effort.
And given that you've clearly never used a restaurant POS system, this is another blindingly silly, childisih bit of contrarian nonsense.
If you were trying to raise real objections, it might behoove you to like... think about them in the future. You clearly did not, here.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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> If productive sector employees' demand for goods causes inflation, prices will rise. I'm not sure what you mean. Prices rising is what we call 'inflation' - one doesn't cause the other. They're the same thing.
Rising demand induces inflation because more money is chasing the same goods.
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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You make some good points but some are, excuse me, cringey-wrong. > physical menus are hard to update How often does a restaurant update a menu? Those that need to update frequently already solved that by having a chalk board. > physical menus are often too simple, requiring asking the server questions they've answered a dozen times before already, hurting their efficiency... How does a digital menu solve this? All o…
I'm not sure why "cringey" has to enter the conversation. People seem to be taking this personally. QR codes work across a conference room (personal experience) how old is your phone, exactly? QR codes have gotten easier to use over the past ten-ish years, I've seen it. The point isn't that there aren't ways to make physical menus easier; it's that the objections to the digital experience are weak.
> QR codes work across a conference room (personal experience) how old is your phone, exactly?
See, here we go. Of course a conference room with good (if not necessarily aesthetic) lighting is conducive to scanning QR codes. I bet said QR code was also printed large or even projected. A _restaurant_ on the other hand, more often than not has (a) small QR code print-outs---remember these are put on a table!---and (b) often has mood diffuse lighting which makes getting a good exposure on an already small print-out more complicated. If someone had the genius idea to print it out on reflective glossy paper that complicates things. However, if someone lacked the foresight and printed it on normal matte paper, you might find it stained with three-week old sauce.
(EDIT: For the record, other than the aforementioned Pixels, my current phone is a Sony XPeria 1 V1, but IDK I can't even handle JSON files, maybe I'm also holding my phone doofusly.)
> QR codes have gotten easier to use over the past ten-ish years, I've seen it.
I'm not disputing this and yet they are still at a point where it's a PITA. They've plateaued. Soooo...Tesla FSD before or after it's a PITA no more?
My point isn't that you haven't scanned QR codes before; it's that it seems you haven't scanned QR codes to get a restaurant menu while eating out with a large group ever. Hence, (⸝⸝⸝>﹏<⸝⸝⸝) .
Re: The Doorman's Fallacy in action
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You make some good points but some are, excuse me, cringey-wrong. > physical menus are hard to update How often does a restaurant update a menu? Those that need to update frequently already solved that by having a chalk board. > physical menus are often too simple, requiring asking the server questions they've answered a dozen times before already, hurting their efficiency... How does a digital menu solve this? All o…
>> physical menus are hard to update > How often does a restaurant update a menu? Those that need to update frequently already solved that by having a chalk board. One advantage of a digital ordering system: it can track inventory and mark a dish as unavailable after N have been ordered. Some restaurants might have menu updates in the middle of service quite frequently, if they have a daily special with a fixed quant…
That said, I have a _feeling_ (I cannot emphasize this enough) that some restaurants might actually relish telling some of their patrons that the _special_ item is no longer available. Makes it seem even more exclusive when there's more demand than supply. I'm not talking about Mc Donald's sundae ice cream but rather Sea Urchin Ceviche from Dorsia's. It's only ever happened to me once, so anecdotal.