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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Funny how no-one talks about AI neutrality like we used to discuss net neutrality. We literally now enter a space where not only you will have to prove your identity with a gov issued ID, but they will silently block you if they deem you try to use it in a way that they don't like. It is literally similar to a situation where your ISP would investigate all sites you visit and limit your bandwidth if they don't like t…

Why aren't we talking about bank neutrality?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

Sure if you want to share your ID and information with Persona.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cancelled too, unfortunately! And like Louis Rossman has been saying recently about Anthropic, the folk are "Bad people". The Persona partnership also cements that. I finally have an excuse (need) to test the other high-end coding models on the scene - and might save myself close to 200 per month at the same time for a possible win.

Which are you looking at?

Deepseek v4 pro or GLM 5.2 might be a good start. Bijan Bowen from youtube makes some excellent LLM reviews, I'll be watching even more intently from now on. All I really need is a model which is as good as Opus 4.5 was, so this transition should be fine. Thinking of switching too?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Here is what I think it the game is: 1. Force KYC is US LLM providers, gleefully supported by the US LLM providers. 2. Next -> now Chinese LLM providers must use KYC in the "free market" Western world. 3. But we can's allow KYC information to go to China, can we? 4. Now Western customers can not access Chinese LLM 5. Prices go up 10x to $2,000+/month. Anthropic/OpenAI are happy.

5. Chinese providers license their models to western partners, with the Chinese running training and the westerners running inference. It's what most western companies have to do when they want to operate in China anyway, no reason why we couldn't have a reverse system.

I hope you're right.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why assume any responsibility when you can just outsource and shrug/blame the 3rd-party when they get breached.

I have just read that OpenAI are also using Persona? So maybe Persona has developed tools for this specific form of eligibility check?

Yes, those tools are to collect a real-time selfie and photo of your government-issued ID, store it insecurely, feed it into some other 3rd-party networks to profile you, and share with their trusted partners for reasons.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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AI is weapons now. Need a gun license to buy and operate pistols (Opus), assault rifles (Fable) will be highly limited, even higher tiers of weapons will only be accessible by corporate and state-level actors - we might not even know they exist or what they're capable of. Democratization of AI is dead. Gen pop is completely asleep to all of this so its going to get locked down in the name of safety before anyone even…

In the US, guns are apparently safer than Anthropic AI models :)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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So when the FBI comes to Claude, it will be that much easier now to track down exactly how they have been using the LLM. Maybe a political candidate for the opposing party has something embarrassing there for example.

> So when the FBI comes to Claude, it will be that much easier now to track down exactly how they have been using the LLM

This should definitely be a concern for any Claude user, especially given the open corruption of the current US administration.

If that alone doesn't concern you, everyone should also remember that Anthropic has accidentally released their own source code multiple times at this point.

Why should anyone believe they are going to handle your personal data with any more care than their own?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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I am not sure what is the purpose of this. If you are paying with a credit card, they already have your fully verified identity through the bank's KYC, fully protecting Anthropic legally. Corporate accounts, in the US, will have full personal identification through the corresponding company's HR.

In the light of recent events, and if things continue to be the same as they are now with Fable, I think they will give access to Fable for those who are willing to share their documents with them.

But that's obviously just a speculation.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#320

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.
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