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Re: Fox to buy Roku

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I may be lambasted for saying this, but I do not believe that Fox (or any large media company, really) should be permitted to purchase direct access to the TV hardware of roughly 30-50% of american households.

On the other hand, that would mean no Apple TV, no Fire TV stick... I suspect that would have downsides for the market.

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Ah, the choice content providers made a few years back that put us all in this situation to begin with - throw constant ads at us for marginal revenue.

Uh, it's a complete false dichotomy? There is literally no reason you need to participate in a botnet to stream content for free. That's ... not a thing. Those sticks just glom on to free software maintained by other hardworking unpaid devs to steal residential IPs from unsuspecting buyers drawn to the "all-in-one" pitch for their sketchy VPNs and/or botnets. Then, eventually whatever API keys/endpoints they stole fo…

You absolutely don't have to and I'd encourage people not to (I personally advocate for just using a desktop/pc that you have control over to make the experience more palatable. But I disagree with framing that solution as one where the customer is solely involved in making a bad decision. The old version of Roku, and even streaming sites within recent memory, offered a significantly less enshittified product.

The botnet you bring into your home is only an option people are willing to consider because of how poor the UX has gotten. It's disingenuous to frame this situation as a cavalier abrogation of duty at the sole discretion of the selfish consumer. The malware laiden set top box is a terrible solution, but it being even in the realm of consideration is due to how incredibly terrible set top boxes and streaming platforms have become. In the 2010s torrenting was something of an archaic habit done mostly by those with a strong idealogical bent - gone were the days of everyone installing napster or kazaa to have any access to digitized music that they could actually listen to without a binder of CDs.

Excessive enshittification brought on by the selfish actions of corporations is what is bringing these options back to the table for the mainstream. The consumer should be better and shouldn't bring a malware laden box into their home - but the platforms should also be better and offer reasonable pricing for their value and experience.

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As someone who has canceled all my subscriptions and just uses Jellyfin for 100% of my content, what are some good options besides a Roku? I would love to have hardware like Roku, but just run a jellyfin client, with no need to even have Internet, just access to my jellyfin server on my local network. It would need to be family approved as I don't need another project. I am not interested in AppleTV or a Google devic…

why not just keep an HDMI cable and a laptop near you and hook it up when you want to watch something? It can basically do everything these little tv boxes do and more, you probably already own a laptop capable of this and the hdmi cable, and you don't have to worry about ads. The toughest part might be if you have 4k videos to drive the display.

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Unironically, the best streaming box out there is a PC where you can hook up ad block and stream content from independent content providers like Dropout and Nebula using their web-based UI. We seem to have an economic cycle of enshittification => piracy => people realizing they've over enshittified => goto 10. We were in phase 3 a few years ago, now we're in phase 1 and it's an insane race to the bottom.

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to block ads on the Apple TV for certain services (by which I mean YouTube), but for services which aren't as aggressively terrible as ad-supported YouTube is, I'm generally fine just making the choice between paying a higher price to go ad-free or putting up with ads. I know some folks are absolutely against all ads no matter what no exceptions, but I'm okay with the notion of "y…

Yeah, I am not dead set against advertising in all its forms[1] but I think the balance of advertising and experience quality to price has swung way out of alignment. There are numerous streaming platforms that all price by subscription to take a small chip out of your luxury cash. For most households one or two platforms (which would probably be somewhere near 25 USD) is the reasonable budget and the costs just don't make sense for the quality of content (and the fact that you still get ads in a lot of cases). I support ad-subsidized content for wide accessibility, but the greed has gotten out of hand and the product, if you do pay through the nose, doesn't match that price point.

1. Personally, I find it incredibly disruptive but I had ADHD so it tends to break my immersion in the media but I understand that I'm an edge case and I'll always need a more complex solution.

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When roku decided that Amazon was the rightful owner of my fastforward button about a year and a half ago, that nearly got it tossed, but since Netflix was still behaving, I still have my roku. But if (as I suspect) we're about to behold the power of this fully functional ad-server, it WILL go directly into the e-waste.

Daily Roku user here. I'm not sure what you mean about Amazon and the fastforward button.

Apparently leading up to Amazon prime video inflicting ads where no ads had gone before, they put out a requirement to streaming device manufacturers that said devices needed to support the ability of the source to disable certain buttons. Couldn't have people fast-forwarding through the precious ads, now could they?

So when they just stop your show to try to sell insurance or whatever, and you try to ffwd through that noise, you get a little caption that informs you that "fast forward is not available during ads".

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As of 10am est their stock is down nearly 20%.

I've always wondered.. Why would a stock (roku in this case) trade below the acquisition price (currently showing around 141)? (160 in this case) Does the market think this sale won't be approved by the current administration for some reason?

Sure seems like free money. In normal times, there is a chance this could get blocked, but a favored media outlet of the administration seems a lock.

Also, look at the five day chart. Shot up from $120 on Friday. Bunch of insiders knew early.

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Are there any alternatives that are independent of streaming services?

Recently got a Google Smart TV for the first time, instead of Roku, and I hate it so much. Roku interestingly I think folded in ads in the most non-obtrusive way (except for the full screen ads which I think were quickly abandoned). But Google Smart TV is a completely intentional bid for sticky integration that fosters Google dependence (google login, google telemetry tracking what you watch inside of other apps, oth…

Interesting, I've got a Sony Google TV and it's been the best smart TV experience I've had in a long time. Prior to that was Samsung TVs and a Roku TV (forget which manufacturer) and they all had massive decay in performance over time.

There is a setting on my Google TV (I think it is 'Disable Personalization' or similar) that gets rid of most of the ad-space and turns the home screen into just a list of apps that I actually have installed.

It is easy to sideload apps like SmartTubeNext, and the Plex client works well, so that covers 100% of my needs.

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Wouldn't somebody who boycotts a company to boycott a different company to boycott a third company be the fanatic in this case?

The companies become one after the purchase. That's how purchases work.

Shouldn't the animosity against Fox be reduced by 50% after the merger? Or is the hacker ethos to just shun everything and then shun shunning?

Re: Fox to buy Roku

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post #282

As someone who has canceled all my subscriptions and just uses Jellyfin for 100% of my content, what are some good options besides a Roku? I would love to have hardware like Roku, but just run a jellyfin client, with no need to even have Internet, just access to my jellyfin server on my local network. It would need to be family approved as I don't need another project. I am not interested in AppleTV or a Google devic…

why not just keep an HDMI cable and a laptop near you and hook it up when you want to watch something? It can basically do everything these little tv boxes do and more, you probably already own a laptop capable of this and the hdmi cable, and you don't have to worry about ads. The toughest part might be if you have 4k videos to drive the display.

Usually comes down to convenience for my family members.

Any recommendations on a voice remote control for a TV-connected PC?

PC also needs to support TV power on/off and input switch via HDMI CEC, as well as a launcher to easily switch between the 2-3 streaming apps we use with our remote control.

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