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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by amunozo »

miroljub wrote: post #306
amunozo wrote: post #293

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I think that the reason is that American labs only focus on their biggest models, and make the smaller ones afterthoughts distilled from the main models. I wonder what would happen if they decided to optimize and train better smaller models.

The problem is, they can't. If they offer smaller models for less money, it would eat up their premium offers. The only way forward for American companies is to push for always bigger and more expensive models while using regulatory pressure and fear mongering (FUD) to discard price effective competition from China.

This is not going to end well for the US, for the US economy, and therefore, for the rest of the world.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by ecshafer »

vovavili wrote: post #309
ecshafer wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open Source comes out of Anarchist philosophy not Communist State owned type ideas. There is no direct ownership, its a project built as a common good, and owned by "the public". Its a community garden that people are free to plant and harvest as they see fit.

The concept of a common-pool resource has nothing to do with awkward radical political ideologies.

I am the furthest thing from an Anarchist, but to deny that Anarchism influenced the ideas of Open Source Software is factually wrong.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by Bnjoroge »

gruez wrote: post #194
Alifatisk wrote: post #89

Xiaomi have been cooking a lot in recent times. Their model, especially the pro series, is underrated in my opinion. It haven't received the attention it deserves while it is pushing higher and higher in benchmark scores (looking at artifical analysis), and this was before Deepseek dropped V4. Furthermore, their pricing plan is insanely cheap, they even upped usage limit for their cheapest plan, lite plan, which is a…

>Furthermore, their pricing plan is insanely cheap, they even upped usage limit for their cheapest plan, lite plan, which is at 5$ / month. Unless something changed their plans aren't really worth getting. They're not that much cheaper than the per-token rates, and because it's a plan, you have to contend with weird usage restrictions. You're better off paying per-token unless you have some use case that demands a ve…

Indeed. I did the math and arrived at the same conclusion. They don’t really subsidize their token plans. Maybe because their api pricing is already dirt cheap

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by feoren »

ecshafer wrote: post #312
vovavili wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concept of a common-pool resource has nothing to do with awkward radical political ideologies.

I am the furthest thing from an Anarchist, but to deny that Anarchism influenced the ideas of Open Source Software is factually wrong.

> I am the furthest thing from an Anarchist

I know this is beside the point but I'm quite amused by this statement. Are you saying you're a totalitarian? I'm not trying to poke at you here; I'm genuinely interested what you consider the furthest thing from an anarchist to be?

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by randbyte »

digitaltrees wrote: post #241
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #239

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Does that apply to US open weights models too? Was Llama an attempt by Meta to destroy America's economy?

Yes. Releasing open weights seems to be an effort to slow down competition. Facebook was behind. Grok was behind. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad they are doing it, I personally use open source models. In part to not spend money on the other APIs. So it’s clear that some percentage of what would be paying uses choose to not pay. The other part of opensource is free community labor. How much development work did Faceboo…

> Releasing open weights seems to be an effort to slow down competition.

Why? I don’t get it. Open weight models enabled a lot more foundational model trainings. I believe R1 was benefited from llama.

The proliferation of alternative, open weight models in turn put heat on the leading labs and forced them to make better models, or squeeze more out of slowing improvements on model capabilities through innovation on harness.

And eventually we the common people benefit, exactly from these competitions

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by Bnjoroge »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #203
sdesol wrote: post #98

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> at a Sonnet 4.6-level model MiMo v2.5.0-Pro is honestly the first Chinese model that I've tried where I really though why should I use Claude Sonnet when I can get the same results for a fraction of the cost. There was always something off about Chinese models that made it apparent that it couldn't fully compete with GPT, Claude, Gemini, etc. but this was the first model where I was like, this feels like Sonnet. I…

Is there a guide to running these models locally? Sonnet level inference on my own hardware would be world changing. I have Claude but I don't want to ask it because Anthropic could decide to sabotage me.

I mean you can if you have the compute. They’re all open source

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by ricardobeat »

Authorization for their own API doesn't work.. the web 'Authorize' page denies it, eventually goes through, but then you get stuck on 'Waiting for authorization' in the app. The web page says 'Paste this into MiMo Code' but there is nowhere to paste in.

Token plan works fine.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by zrn900 »

ecshafer wrote: post #307
vovavili wrote: post #202

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Having a five-year plan dictating which publicly owned b2b SaaS AI service you will be provisioned sure sounds like a dream of mine. I wonder what could go wrong.

Open Source comes out of Anarchist philosophy not Communist State owned type ideas. There is no direct ownership, its a project built as a common good, and owned by "the public". Its a community garden that people are free to plant and harvest as they see fit.

Correct. It is therefore COMMUNist with the correct term. That's what communism is - the philosophy of the commons. Except note that the running of that commons, which everyone uses, requires socialist practices (what you mistakenly call communist).

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by ecshafer »

feoren wrote: post #314
ecshafer wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the furthest thing from an Anarchist, but to deny that Anarchism influenced the ideas of Open Source Software is factually wrong.

> I am the furthest thing from an Anarchist I know this is beside the point but I'm quite amused by this statement. Are you saying you're a totalitarian? I'm not trying to poke at you here; I'm genuinely interested what you consider the furthest thing from an anarchist to be?

From an Anarchist perspective isn't any state necessarily totalitarian? But I do believe there aught to be a strong, patriarchal, centralized state with strict laws and severe punishments. I think Singapore is close to an ideal.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by zrn900 »

vovavili wrote: post #309
ecshafer wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open Source comes out of Anarchist philosophy not Communist State owned type ideas. There is no direct ownership, its a project built as a common good, and owned by "the public". Its a community garden that people are free to plant and harvest as they see fit.

The concept of a common-pool resource has nothing to do with awkward radical political ideologies.

The concept of common-pool resource is the basis of the commons, the default state of mankind since its inception to recent times, and the philosophy of commons is called COMMUNism for a reason. In English, it should have been translated more correctly as COMMONism, from the COMMONS.
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