Surveillance is not safety: A statement on the UK's latest threat to privacy [pdf]

It’s simple: when the risk of getting caught is too high, crime plummets."

https://x.com/rahul/status/2063984276610114001

Its a second order effect. The problem is predators get children to take pictures and distribute them. To stop them escaping justice it requires a certain level of absolutism. In Common law, there are exceptions. However people exploit the system.

> Now imagine what would be necessary to get it back. It's on some other person's private device. Either you invade everyone's privacy and private communications to check if they might have it or be privately sharing it, or they could be. The cure is worse than the disease.

I mean there are loads of ways to look at this. But if we want to have strong controls over your data, then sharing should be controlled by the owner, not the platform. Currently there are no trusted environments that allow people to share securely and privately data without it being copied.

My understanding of what is being proposed is that cameras will have basic nudity detection on them, and they will refuse to take the pictures if the device is registered to a person under the age of 18.

That, more or less is not privacy invading, depending on how its done.

The central point that you are missing here is that something which was quite hard to happen in 1999 was destructive to a child life. Now its much easier to do, and there is an actual economy in sourcing, exploiting and trading these pictures/videos.

If EVERYONE that got hired to build the enshittification of humanity would just speak up about what they were asked to build there is no 'next guy' - ar at least we all know that the 'next guy' is wilfully complicit in the evil done at the company and you can disinvite him to family reunions and refuse him membership in the golf club for humanitarian violations.

I.E. What good is a mortgage payment when the next guy cant hire a plumber because the whole town knows he's a vile POS?

But the line of people doing the work, and keeping their mouths shut about it is nearly an unbroken chain from start to end. And here we are because no one wants to be the only one speaking out against evil, when we all should be.

It isn't. The solution is obvious. You punish the predators and not the children.

> My understanding of what is being proposed is that cameras will have basic nudity detection on them, and they will refuse to take the pictures if the device is registered to a person under the age of 18.

Which seems both problematic (now every device needs to be registered?) and ineffective (the predator has the children use a device registered to an adult or an older device without any such constraints).

> The central point that you are missing here is that something which was quite hard to happen in 1999 was destructive to a child life. Now its much easier to do, and there is an actual economy in sourcing, exploiting and trading these pictures/videos.

This seems to be your central premise but it's also not even true. If a predator got children to take such pictures with film camera in the 20th century and was then in possession of the negatives, there was no centralized system to detect this or prevent them from having a darkroom to make and distribute copies. The solution is to have the police arrest them, which continues to be the solution even now without needing to compromise the devices of every innocent member of the public.

> But if we want to have strong controls over your data, then sharing should be controlled by the owner, not the platform.

You're assuming the conclusion -- that there should be a platform in a position to control (i.e restrict) sharing. If communications are end to end encrypted, no one other the parties even knows what it is. That is what you are by implication prohibiting -- unintermediated private communications.