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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by infecto »

radiorental wrote: post #300
everdrive wrote: post #283

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>The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is I think most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon and it's 99% Chinese disposable junk. That doesn't mean that China is incapable of producing high quality goods, but just that the average interaction that people have with Chinese goods are low quality. It's the manufacturing equivalent of "How could the government be efficient? H…

While true, imho its more complicated than that * PE, on the whole, has extracted wealth from quality. This is true at both the consumer level and B2B. E.g. its impossible to trust any aftermarket car part manufacturer, and some OEM brands have turned to dogshit too. * "most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon" I'd rephrase that to: most people either can't or are unwilling to pay the premium for quality in a…

I don’t fully agree with either of those arguments. I think parts of it are certainly true but at the end of the day it takes two to tango. American consumers on average want high consumption for the lowest cost. I hate the argument “just buy less $5 coffees” but there is at least a kernel of truth in it. Consumers stretch the limits of their budget.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by hylaride »

DangitBobby wrote: post #306
radiorental wrote: post #300

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While true, imho its more complicated than that * PE, on the whole, has extracted wealth from quality. This is true at both the consumer level and B2B. E.g. its impossible to trust any aftermarket car part manufacturer, and some OEM brands have turned to dogshit too. * "most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon" I'd rephrase that to: most people either can't or are unwilling to pay the premium for quality in a…

I'm very willing to pay a premium for quality, I just can't seem to find any reliable signal for quality before buying. Price and brand are both increasingly meaningless signals.

The lengths "drop-shippers" or similar groups are willing to go to game the system also has made almost all reviews and feedback useless. A few years ago I bought a feline water fountain and the lengths they went to get a 5 star review (extra free filters, etc) made me realize just how bad amazon reviews had gotten. I've slowed my amazon purchases significantly since then (along with other problems ordering from amazon has slowly introduced).

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by infecto »

joe_mamba wrote: post #196
uejfiweun wrote: post #190

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I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. Because I'd love to buy a BYD car and see this for myself, or try the Xiaomi car that MKBHD was so keen on. But because of the hostility I kind of get why there are bans.

>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

China is just as much of a guilty party as the “west” could be. From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets. It is foolish to think they are not at some level an adversary. I would still absolutely buy a BYD car but China plays the same game, maybe even better, and that the west has also played for decades.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by joe_mamba »

infecto wrote: post #313
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

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>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

China is just as much of a guilty party as the “west” could be. From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets. It is foolish to think they are not at some level an adversary. I would still absolutely buy a BYD car but China plays the same game, maybe even better, and that the west has also played for decades.

>From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets.

"the west" did the same. You can't play fairly if your opponents never did.

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Post by jermaustin1 »

DangitBobby wrote: post #306
radiorental wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While true, imho its more complicated than that * PE, on the whole, has extracted wealth from quality. This is true at both the consumer level and B2B. E.g. its impossible to trust any aftermarket car part manufacturer, and some OEM brands have turned to dogshit too. * "most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon" I'd rephrase that to: most people either can't or are unwilling to pay the premium for quality in a…

I'm very willing to pay a premium for quality, I just can't seem to find any reliable signal for quality before buying. Price and brand are both increasingly meaningless signals.

I'm in a similar boat, and it annoys the shit out of my wife, and any family member that thinks I'm "just cheap" or a "budget shopper".

I'm a value shopper. I was happy with the McDouble when it was under $1, but not now that it is nearly $2. It isn't worth that, but the BK Double Cheeseburger IS worth it even for $1 more than the McDouble (at least in my location).

Same is true for almost everything I buy. A certain fabric I want in my button ups, or a stich type I want in my pants. I hyper inspect almost every item of clothing I'm even contemplating buying. Same with furniture, with tools, with appliances.

It is almost a compulsion. I cannot pay more for something than I think it is worth... unless I REAALLLLLY want it.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by joe_mamba »

kouunji wrote: post #291
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

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>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

The hostility is a result of a long reading of history. If you think Chinese leadership has forgotten European colonialism, you are mistaken. If you want to understand how deeply the maximalist mindset runs in Chinese culture, look up what the name of the country - zhongguo - means. I love Chinese culture, and lived there, but make no mistake about how clear eyed their leadership is about competition with western heg…

>If you think Chinese leadership has forgotten European colonialism, you are mistaken.

You are mistaken to think I forgot that. The west is the one who is mistaken if they think all other countries and cultures forgot that. If they can, they would gladly enact revenge over Europeans and whip them. Which is why it's best to arm ourselves to the teeth and ensure they'll never be in a position do that. So no, i haven't forgotten, the west has.

>but make no mistake about how clear eyed their leadership is about competition with western hegemony.

Isn't hegemony what US leadership has been doing since WW2, increasingly more vigorously and more intensely today? Except China is doing without bombing other nations and kidnapping their leader. So in this game China is the righteous ones.

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Post by mjanx123 »

torginus wrote: post #182
quijoteuniv wrote: post #162

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Vertical integration matters. If BYD controls much of the chain from the mine to the ship, they’re not paying everyone else’s margin along the way. That can translate into more car for the money. I own a BYD Tang, so I’m biased, but the value for money has been hard to beat. Scale probably helps too. When you sell millions of cars using many of the same parts, availability is better and parts are more likely to stay…

Vertical integration is a double edged sword. When your car is a decade old or more, and stuff starts breaking, the only vendor that makes parts for it is BYD - and its up to them if they bother selling to you, at what price, provided they still make these parts at that time. Time will tell how cheap and easy will they be to maintain, which affects residual value at the end of the lease, which affects payments. Nobod…

The aftermarket would jump after such an opportunity in such case

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by joe_mamba »

km3r wrote: post #198
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

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>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

>Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best,

Tesla operates Giga Shanghai fully independently and competes freely.

>And not just American but any outside company.

So did Italy, Germany, Japan and Korea to build up domestic auto industries otherwise Detroit would have steemroled them.

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