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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

Ukraine is still fighting. We don't need to send troops. We just need to keep sending weapons (Trump stopped this)

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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You're right but you should cite something other than the CBC, since it will just be immediately dismissed by the biased as biased. Alberta is very important economically. I'm from there. Ontario (I live there) and Quebec and BC are also massively important. And fanning the flames of disinformation and playing grievance politics to make Albertans feel discriminated against has become an extremely serious problem. Wab…

I would think Ontario is the centre of Canada as it has the most people and the financial centre. Google's AI says 38% of GDP. And the problem Alberta faces is who wants to separate, what do they want to do afterwards and what ground do they actually own (vs. treaties that predate Alberta). When Alberta at least catches up to Quebec in practicing being independent (runs its own police, collects its own taxes, has its…

alberta has the border to ship stuff through, the only one that actually matters, to the south

rounding errors east and west dont particularly matter

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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That's right, but Ukraine got $90B from Europe knowing most of it would come back for equipment purchases. Also - I think that EU is going to try to figure out a way to get that Russian money. If they can't, then the EU should not exist - literally. It's decisive evidence that the bureaucracy can't even face an existential threat on it's own existence because it can't organize it's own legal concerns. "We remained la…

If Russia is an existential threat to EU, wouldn't it make sense to confiscate that money and declare war on Moscow ? Either that or Russia is not a threat.

> If Russia is an existential threat to EU, wouldn't it make sense to ... declare war on Moscow

No, I don't think that would make sense.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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That's right, but Ukraine got $90B from Europe knowing most of it would come back for equipment purchases. Also - I think that EU is going to try to figure out a way to get that Russian money. If they can't, then the EU should not exist - literally. It's decisive evidence that the bureaucracy can't even face an existential threat on it's own existence because it can't organize it's own legal concerns. "We remained la…

> That's right, but Ukraine got $90B from Europe knowing most of it would come back for equipment purchases. Thats standard for military aid to other countries. Almost all US military aid to Ukraine was spent in the US for equipment purchases. The benefit for Ukraine is getting the weapons to use in the war, although it's worth noting a decent portion of the military aid will be spent by ukraine on domestic manufactu…

It's much more preferable to take the money - and it would have been even much more preferable if Putin knew that from the get go.

In fact - if Ukraine were to have had that $90B 2 years ago, it may have accelerated the situation (though not guaranteed).

This is not 'EU strategy' it's EU crawling out from it's own disorganization.

This is Putin's only great advantage - to take advantage of complacency, bureaucracy, and inability for European nations to react with coherence.

If the EU was organized, Putin wouldn't have been able to make a move, not even in 2014.

The same thing in tech: no cloud, no mobile - and now no AI. These things have real ramifications.

For example, Ukraine's' decisive advantage right now is Starlink - as much as I don't like Musk, and that he has been allowing Russia to use it for years (turning a blind eye, though that is stopped now) - it's now being used by Ukraine to assault 100Km in the rear and could 'turn the tide' of the conflict.

Europe has no 'Starlink' because it's disorganized and complacent - and the Starlink competitor is years away, will be minimal, may never happen.

So even as the technology proves to be 'plainly decisive', the reaction is not strategic or organized.

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Unfortunately the EU still hasn't gotten the balls to confiscate that frozen oligarchy money, so no. Just wait, though. Soon you will cry. ;)

That's right, but Ukraine got $90B from Europe knowing most of it would come back for equipment purchases. Also - I think that EU is going to try to figure out a way to get that Russian money. If they can't, then the EU should not exist - literally. It's decisive evidence that the bureaucracy can't even face an existential threat on it's own existence because it can't organize it's own legal concerns. "We remained la…

> If they can't, then the EU should not exist - literally. It's decisive evidence that the bureaucracy can't even face an existential threat on it's own existence because it can't organize it's own legal concerns.

> "We remained lawfully committed to juducial integrity and processes ... as we were exterminated!"

If you're happy being governed without process or accountability, why not just surrender to Russia? If the EU can't maintain its principles when things get tough then what's the point in having it at all?

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It is like a modern day state of Prussia. A beachhead and airstrip in the middle east. Weapons manufacturing. Rocket science. A cyber security firm. An intelligence agency. Some of the best in the world at these things. All wrapped up into one. This is why nations like to ally with Israel. But again, if you don't want problems with Israel don't make problems with Israel. Their populace is militarized like few other a…

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Nazi Germany? Please. Jordan shot down Iranian drones to protect Israel just recently. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. There are Arabs in the IDF. Lets ground ourself in reality.

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As an American with mostly headline-level knowledge of Canadian politics, this Mark Carney seems unusually competent and effective, as far as heads-of-state go.

He was the Governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada.

bank of canada during the 08 problems, and bank of England over brexit, too

he's worked through a lot of emergencies

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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While I completely agree with you on [1] and it's tiring to have to re-litigate this issue every few years, [2] was from 2021 and doesn't reflect Canada's current policies.

Canada's current policies seem like a continuation of their previous policies. The only major change is the weakening of links to the US, which is likely to make the economy worse, not better. Even bill C-22 is a zombie bill from the Trudea era (C-63). Tech investment is still flat (nearing zero)[1], taxes are up, and 20% of the workforce have government jobs[2]. This country is cooked. [1] https://www.theglobeandmai…

it really isnt cooked.

theres plenty of capital, resources, and skilled people.

its gonna do fine

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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It is like a modern day state of Prussia. A beachhead and airstrip in the middle east. Weapons manufacturing. Rocket science. A cyber security firm. An intelligence agency. Some of the best in the world at these things. All wrapped up into one. This is why nations like to ally with Israel. But again, if you don't want problems with Israel don't make problems with Israel. Their populace is militarized like few other a…

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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If people want to grasp the view of US in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8qSZO4jvTI (You can watch just the first minute to get the gist)

And speech was from 1yr ago. The view has probably not improved since ?

Here's a video from this year from a French General that is more up to date on the current vibes https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XQJ5YEsNQws

And for some more data than anecdote, the current polling where the US is now 14 points behind China in net approval. https://news.gallup.com/poll/707945/china-edges-past-global-...

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