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Re: Leave Me Behind

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And sometimes buying a statue can be fun, but nobody calls it building a statue.

Help me out with the metaphor here. Do you think designing and architecting some software, then getting an LLM to write a lot of the code, is the same as buying a computer program from a store?

The better AI gets, the closer it gets, yes.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Help me out with the metaphor here. Do you think designing and architecting some software, then getting an LLM to write a lot of the code, is the same as buying a computer program from a store?

The better AI gets, the closer it gets, yes.

It really depends how you use it. There's a whole spectrum from "do it yourself" to "get the AI to do everything". Its up to each person, on each project, to decide what amongst all of that work is actually worth human time.

I don't enjoy CSS, so I delegate that to an LLM. Just like I don't like writing assembly by hand, so I delegate that to a compiler. So what?

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>LLM/AI is about outsourcing thinking. No it isn't. I still do the thinking on how to solve my problems, I only outsource the tedious part, which is typing the code and fixing the syntax errors till it all compiles and does what I want. If you also outsource thinking to it, that's your choice though. Or the company's choice. But ultimately the free market will deiced with products made using LLMs outcompete those mad…

> I still do the thinking on how to solve my problems, I only outsource the tedious part, which is typing the code and fixing the syntax errors till it all compiles and does what I want. Do you really though? Here's a question: how many times do you visit claude.ai or open Claude Code (or whatever harness you use) (or use whatever model you prefer) to help you solve a problem, ask it a question, etc.? One thing I've…

> I've been programming since I was 13

Congrats, you're in a small minority of people.

>What worries me is that I fear this is happening to way, way more people than those who actually bring it up, potentially yourself included, and you just haven't yet realized it because you haven't really thought about it.

People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainstream in the 1970s.

Do you still use your brain to calculate sales tax or the square root of pi just to keep your brain sharp on knowing calculus, or do you always use a calculator because it's a mainstream commodity that will never go away?

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Take a look at https://immich.app/

Oh that looks lovely. I enjoy the UI and all the work on tagging and classification. But its still missing some features I want: - I want native desktop apps - I want P2P device sync. My laptop and my home server should be peers. Just with different rules for which photos are stored locally on each device. - I want per-device storage rules. (Eg, "I want all my favorited photos, and recent photos up to 50gb on my lapt…

You're not wrong, but a fork of Immich would achieve much of the same, no? I understand this is probably a detour from the conversation, but I've been thinking of doing the same to add some niceties

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Open weight models exist and are good enough to make the projects above.

And you're actually excited about these table scraps that companies couldn't even monetize, rather than making something?

You are being needlessly combative. Please take a step back and look at what you are doing - I don't think this is positive for you or anybody

Re: Leave Me Behind

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> I still do the thinking on how to solve my problems, I only outsource the tedious part, which is typing the code and fixing the syntax errors till it all compiles and does what I want. Do you really though? Here's a question: how many times do you visit claude.ai or open Claude Code (or whatever harness you use) (or use whatever model you prefer) to help you solve a problem, ask it a question, etc.? One thing I've…

> I've been programming since I was 13 Congrats, you're in a small minority of people. >What worries me is that I fear this is happening to way, way more people than those who actually bring it up, potentially yourself included, and you just haven't yet realized it because you haven't really thought about it. People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainst…

> > I've been programming since I was 13

> Congrats, you're in a small minority of people.

Why did you respond to this? I fail to see how it relates to your point whatsoever.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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This article was very eye-opening for me. I think I understand the author's pain and I could certainly feel it while reading the article. The fact that it was "the people" that made the difference kind of surprised me, and then I realized it was because I have seldom had the experiences he's had and that this might have a major impact on the way I (and others) view the technology. For me, building software has often…

It resonates with me. I grew up coding with basically zero network - software engineering basically only became viewed as a viable career in my country when it became lucrative, right as I was beginning my schooling i.e. I walked into a snakepit of people who were only in it for the money. I thought going into the industry would help this and let me finally meet a community of other passionate devs, but then LLMs got good right as I started work. It does really suck - I feel you on it feeling solitary as a baseline, and now ever more so. I wish I could somehow experience the early SV era hacker culture first hand, but alas

Re: Leave Me Behind

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> I've been programming since I was 13 Congrats, you're in a small minority of people. >What worries me is that I fear this is happening to way, way more people than those who actually bring it up, potentially yourself included, and you just haven't yet realized it because you haven't really thought about it. People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainst…

> > I've been programming since I was 13 > Congrats, you're in a small minority of people. Why did you respond to this? I fail to see how it relates to your point whatsoever.

Why did he mention it? How does it relate to the topic? Why do you think people are not allowed to reply to it?

Re: Leave Me Behind

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It seems to me that the article is creating a false dichotomy where either you don't use AI at all, or you delegate every aspect of the work to AI. This simply isn't how it works in practice. You get to choose how much of the work you delegate to AI. There's still an enormous amount of space for human expertise, community, and enthusiasm for technology. The public debate around AI makes me think of the cognitive dist…

You are right, until you are to review PRs at work that you know were 100% generated by AI.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Oh that looks lovely. I enjoy the UI and all the work on tagging and classification. But its still missing some features I want: - I want native desktop apps - I want P2P device sync. My laptop and my home server should be peers. Just with different rules for which photos are stored locally on each device. - I want per-device storage rules. (Eg, "I want all my favorited photos, and recent photos up to 50gb on my lapt…

You're not wrong, but a fork of Immich would achieve much of the same, no? I understand this is probably a detour from the conversation, but I've been thinking of doing the same to add some niceties

If my goal was to make something that fits in with the existing ecosystem and has the most users possible, I could do that. Try to make some changes which could possibly be upstreamed. Spend my time going back and forth on minutia in github pull requests. Learn Dart. Figure out how to wrap a typescript & dart app in a macOS native window. Or turn to electron. (Yuck.)

But I’m optimising for the feeling of joy and agency over my tools. I also want to experiment with p2p / local first data structures in a real app. I could fork immich and rewrite the data model. But that all seems much less fun.

At the end of the day, I’m not doing this for other people. I’m doing this for me. Learning dart so I can hack on someone else’s code sounds like a pain in the butt. Not like something I’d want to do for fun on the weekend.

Working on someone else’s code seems like a strange default. You and others have jumped on me for wanting to make my own thing instead of using - or forking - someone else’s software. Can you help me understand why? Why would that be the default for a fun hobby project? I’m confused.

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