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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by ACCount37 »

arm32 wrote: post #296
ACCount37 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? I somehow doubt it. Can you provide an example of something "Photoshop is really used for" that ChatGPT Images 2.0 is completely incapable of doing?

- Keeping a human face exactly the same while removing imperfections and being able to make small, purely non-destructive edits in series. - Export in very high quality without estimative upscaling.

Are you up to date on frontier capabilities?

ChatGPT's image pipeline used to completely suck at sequential edits - i.e. "compounding piss filter" and more. The new Images 2.0 one is a generational leap over that. Have you tried it? Do you still have issues?

Not sure what top export resolution is in the system now, but they did bump it up some.

What remains is no true native CMYK? But that is a somewhat niche capability. Not sure if you can partially compensate in "pre" by prompting for print-ready images to keep gamuts constrained and get reasonable outcomes from a naive RGB->CMYK conversion.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by embedding-shape »

clearleaf wrote: post #267
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the day when a license was expensive, then yes, you either were a professional who used it a lot, or like the rest of us poors, you used a cracked copy. Nowadays though, with relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their so…

I don't pay subs for things like photoshop. It doesn't matter if I can "afford" it. It could be one cent per year and still I just don't want stuff that's set up that way.

Right, me neither, I avoid subscriptions like a plague.

But clearly you and I aren't the typical person here, considering the success of some SaaS, and considering the amount of money Adobe et al makes regardless of their choices. So hard to say they're "wrong" when the system and ecosystem effectively actively prize them for their choices, with their wallet.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by embedding-shape »

jaffa2 wrote: post #256
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the day when a license was expensive, then yes, you either were a professional who used it a lot, or like the rest of us poors, you used a cracked copy. Nowadays though, with relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their so…

> relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their social media after editing", you can easily afford a Photoshop subscription, Sorry what? This is nonsense. > as long as you have one or two gigs per month which more than covers the s…

> Sorry what? This is nonsense.

Would you like to specify exactly what part is nonsense from that quoted part? Because it's what I saw myself first-hand when I owned a restaurant, so would be interesting to here what exactly of that you think is "nonsense"?

> So if you use photoshop professionally/commercially then you can afford to pay for it.

No, my point is that even if you're basically part-time "starting out"/"fresh", you most likely can afford it, which is different than a professional user who uses it every day.

Back in the day, it truly was "You can only afford Photoshop if you use it professionally every day" but today you can work as a waiter and have photography as a hobby, and still be able to afford it.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by [deleted] »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

IDK, but I have three or four vibe-coded 0.1%-Photoshops already - small utility apps, all self-contained, client-side, static, zero build-step browser tools, each of them solving a very particular problem for me. Things like, drop an image, get a printable label sheet that force-overrides all margin and scaling settings (recent upgrade to a tool I had that did that with plaintext address data), or metadata-preservin…

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Post by thisisit »

bradley13 wrote: post #138
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

So the future is - Everyone has their own apps built specifically for their own use case and spending tokens just for the satisfaction to have created something themselves? That sounds like a tool for hobbyists.

I have no clue about wine connoisseur apps but I have to assume that someone some where has build apps to manage the obvious data and now integrating AI into it so that it can do photo to text and reports and summaries etc.

If there are no other apps then commercializing the app might be a better win and use case.

If there are others apps then I can't imagine the nightmare where everyone has their own Supabase/Firebase/AWS etc instances and run their private apps because it does things exactly as what they want to do along with satisfaction of spending 6 months on it. Instead of paying for an app which might be used across the industry and helped them save those 6 months.

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Post by gwbas1c »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

I think the point is that people who are making the accusation of vibecoding (or just using a prompt to make something) don't understand the work that it takes to make something.

Something similar happened with the invention of the synthesizer. (Specifically, the giant, modular Moog and its contemporaries like the Arp.) People made accusations about the synthesizer doing all the work and playing all the music; when in reality it was often harder (at the time) to play the synthesizer than traditional keyboarded instruments.

You can learn about this if you read about some of the accusations against Keith Emerson.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by odo1242 »

esseph wrote: post #268
skydhash wrote: post #229

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There’s zulip https://zulip.com/

That's a SaaS / Product. https://zulip.com/self-hosting/ Similar to the GitLab model. Example limitations: > Mobile notifications without limitation for eligible communities > Mobile notifications for up to 10 users for other organizations

There’s also Mattermost

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Post by Retr0id »

zero_shift wrote: post #300
darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

For others who are confused. The author is someone in the demoscene who has been accused of "vibe coding" large pieces of work. His counter is that if such things are possible, where is the vibe coded Photoshop? He then goes on a tangent that "vibe coding" is a kind of easy accusation mostly levelled at "neurodiverse" developers Which is why he ends the post: So. Where are the vibecoded Photoshops? WHERE IS THE THREA…

AH! That brings the whole thing into context. So to charitably paraphrase the argument, it's something like: "If I used AI to produce something technically impressive, my human input was still an important part of the process. Nobody has vibecoded (AI-generated without human guidance) a photoshop, which is evidence that the human input/oversight is still important. Therefore my AI-assisted work is important/impressive/valuable."

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Post by goldenarm »

esseph wrote: post #74
goldenarm wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had OSS equivalents of almost everything for decades, you can install a mature Slack clone for $0 since 2015. Yet people don't because of laziness and brands are strong.

If there was a viable open source replacement for discord I would be using it today. Same goes for slack.

I was referring to Mattermost, the Slack equivalent, which is quite mature and used at scale by some orgs around me.

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Post by saulpw »

jeroenhd wrote: post #233
joenot443 wrote: post #211

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> neither will the one off random app that only your household uses This reminds me a bit of the 2010s idea that every house would have a 3D printer to make one off repairs. Years later, this still seems far out of reach. If anything, it seems to have been settled that most non-technicals don't want a 3D printer. Vibe coded apps are great, but unless they're hitting an already open API, they're effectively hermetic.…

> would have a 3D printer to make one off repairs The problem with that is, like many people found out the hard way, that printing is the easy part and 3D CAD design is much harder. Many people now have 3D printers to print all kinds of useful tools, though, and there are businesses dedicated to one-off prints for the very occasional repair.

Similarly, it seems like people are finding out the hard way that coding is the easy part and software design/architecture is much harder.
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