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MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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The figure is likely wrong. My Mac is currently using 9GB of RAM including 6.5GB of cached files with Safari and a few other apps opened. They likely forgot to subtract the cache from the used memory.

That's impressive on an 8GB system!

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A fanless CPU needs more, lower-clocked cores to have the same multi-thread performance as an actively cooled CPU with fewer cores, and higher core count CPUs cost more. So you only get a fanless CPU if you either a) get a low multi-thread performance CPU or b) pay for a high-performance CPU and then get only medium performance out of it by running it fanless. Notice that even Apple's highest performance laptops have…

This is oversimplified. It is sustained multithreaded performance that brings throttling with fanless cpu. Anything for a short enough amount of time is fine, and sustained single threaded stuff is also fine. Bursts are also fine. A lot of work that people do on a computer is fine. Fanless doesn't really hurt unless you process large amounts of data in parallel for some time. Performance in a cpu does not only show i…

> I have used both airs and the max versions of macbooks, and the airs are embarrassingly on par for too many things. I understand it may be hard to believe, but one can do actual, serious work on a macbook air.

Can confirm. I used an Air for a couple of years as a bit of an experiment at work. Ultimately we did go back to Pros, specifically discounted M3 Max ones, just because I did start hitting bottlenecks running Xcode + Android Studio + Firefox + Slack + Telegram + god knows what else, I did FINALLY find the thermal throttling at the end and we ended up going with more expensive machines. That was over a year ago and I purchased the Air I had been using for my wife, who is using it today. It meets and exceeds all her needs and she loves the thing.

Ultimately I did have to cave and get a bigger Mac for work, but that was more out of convenience than necessity. I could've made the Air work if I wanted to, but ultimately I wanted a larger screen and more displays.

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i bought this for my girlfriend as an entrypoint laptop considering she is coming from Windows - and overall satisfied. the battery though could be improved especially considering for a couple of hundred bucks more we could have gotten a used macBook air

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i think it's a fair concern, but quite frankly right now macos has best-in-class (desktop) memory/swap management

Source…? I see this claim thrown around so much without any backing and my experience with mac os (and other darwin variants) is just terrible. My previous portable was a 2015 mac book pro with 16 (!) gigs of ram (mind-blowing for 2026 standards, I know) and the os just became terribly and unbearably sluggish with all the useless updates (that nb mostly removed features, e.g. ClearType was wiped off the face of the E…

The stress tests with multiple Youtube windows open simultaneously, editing 4K video, and doing heavy duty image editing tasks, in some cases doing stuff like that all at the same time have been very impressive. It does have to fall back on swap, but even then seems to soldier on really well considering. Are you better off with more memory? Absolutely, but it still seems perfectly capable of managing even many low to medium duty pro workloads if you don't mind a performance hit.

MacOS has had memory compression since Mavericks in 2013, but the M series chips also introduced a wider memory bus that makes for faster swap, and hardware accelerated memory compression/decompression.

A lot of this tech is inherited from the work done on iOS and the A-series SOCs to maximise performance and minimise resource utilisation for the phones. And of course the Neo uses an A-series phone SOC.

https://box.co.uk/blog/macbook-air-memory-usage-macos

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> Stuff doesn't just 'stop working' They didn't say that. In fact they said the total opposite > As a reasonable alternative, you can stick Linux on it and it'll run nicely Somewhat true for Intel Not so true for Apple Silicon (Asahi are only upto M2 I think?)

I did read between the lines here: > After that you essentially have to chuck it as you don’t get any updates from Apple and slowly you descend into incompatibility unless you world exists in browser. But I don't think the lines were particularly far apart. > Not so true for Apple Silicon (Asahi are only upto M2 I think?) M1 was six years ago, M2 was four, both within the seven years OP was talking about. You can run…

The absolute contortions in logic

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I went to school too. Sometimes at school we would do presentations using a projector connected by HDMI, maybe you could get away with the room computer but that only had USB A ports being some ancient desktop. Sometimes we did group projects and rather than huddle around one tiny 13" or 15" laptop screen we used one of the big ass TVs in the rentable group study rooms. It's not tons of super fast IO. It's pretty bas…

Even then the problem can be solved by a cheap usb a + c flash drive. At least in offices every meeting room I’ve used for a while now has a usb c dongle for the TV. HDMI has been less common than usb c on laptops for quite a long time now.

Also, a large fraction of students these days use Google Docs. I don’t have first-hand experience, but I imagine they would either share presentations with the account the shared computer is logged into, or log into their own account on the shared computer. No hardware involved either way.

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Apple makes unbelievably good hardware and software that just lasts and just works. Until it’s 7 years old. After that you essentially have to chuck it as you don’t get any updates from Apple and slowly you descend into incompatibility unless you world exists in browser. I wish once you bought an Apple computer it was truly yours for as long as you wanted it instead of it being dictated by Apple. Still Great computer…

You can still get plenty of use out of them if you adjust expectations accordingly. I don't expect my 2013 iMac to do everything a brand new one can, but I do expect it to sit on my bench and function as a control station for my 3d printer... which it does fine, and will likely continue to do in perpetuity.

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The author clearly had some involvement in the article, I wish they could have written it themselves. It reads like they gave Claude some benchmark data and got it to write the rest of the article.

Yeah I noped out of that slop after "Bottom line:" and "Here's the math."

Shame because they clearly put a fair bit of work into it.

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> when the dram crisis is over. When it's over, Neo will be long obsolete.

I give it six months to a year. All the current fabs are trying to balance current production with building next gen scaled up facilities. Can’t have both.

More like 5 to 10 years.

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The author clearly had some involvement in the article, I wish they could have written it themselves. It reads like they gave Claude some benchmark data and got it to write the rest of the article.

AI or not, it's such a bad article that constantly repeats itself and spends more time (and words) promising the upcoming sections and "deep insights" than it does on actually writing any of those facts.

That is a hallmark of AI writing. It constantly thinks it has some deep insight.
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