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Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's - Paul Krugman, 1998 Excuse me if I take the Krug-o-tron's opinions with a grain of salt.

Okay but what of this particular opinion?

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>The Trump administration is making no real effort to crack down on whoever is trading using inside information, and these inside traders are operating with a complete sense of impunity, assured that they can get away with it. Yeah that's because IT's HIM. Jesus how much more proof do you people need that the Trumps themselves are looting the country.

At least here he is just looting counterparties. It's way better than selling off national parks and using tax dollars on no-bid contracts to gild the presidential tanning bed.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Can you watch what happens on a market just before the press conference and do the same?

> At 3:40 AM ET today, nearly 10,000 contracts worth of crude oil shorts were taken without any major news... At 4:50 AM ET, just 70 minutes later, Axios reported that the US is “close” to a “memorandum of understanding” to end the Iran War.

Depends on what your brokerage allows, see timestamps.

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I don’t think we need to be providing proof that the sky is blue at this point but here you go. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/31/tucker-carlson...

The article doesn't even include the words "ideologue" or "extreme" or make a similar claim. Very weird and defensive response.

"But ultimately Carlson’s escalating toxicity, which included an undercurrent of white supremacy and a penchant for demeaning women and minorities, led Lachlan Murdoch, the then chief executive of Fox Corp, to pull the plug, the book says."

How obtuse are you being?

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Maybe if Iran had a nuke Israel would cut back on sexual torture of detainees and indiscriminate bombing of vast swaths of densely populated land. And maybe the US would think twice about spending $10 trillion fighting pointless wars in the region. I’m in favor of that scenario.

> Maybe if Iran had a nuke Israel would cut back on sexual torture of detainees and indiscriminate bombing of vast swaths of densely populated land. Aside from the fact that Iran and its proxies do this, you have to remember that Israel very likely has nukes and so if Iran gets a nuke what exactly are they going to do with it in the scenario you described? Nuke Tel Aviv? Israel would just nuke them back. > And maybe…

I was not implying that Iran would or should use nuclear weapons. Only acquire them. For the same reason I think it’s a good thing the USSR acquired nuclear weapons. Mutually assured destruction has proven to be incredibly effective at preventing the use of nuclear weapons, and preventing hot war (not proxy wars though).

I think if Iran acquired nuclear weapons the region would stabilize. Israel would be forced to stop the genocide and land grabs, because they would no longer hold a monopoly on nuclear weapons in the region.

Regarding the cost of the Iraq war it was at least $3T. Likely a lot more. My $10T estimate isn’t exactly mainstream but $3T is a solid floor: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/true-cost-iraq-war-...

“Maybe it wasn’t worth the money”

You say that casually. As of $3 trillion wouldn’t have dramatically improved the lives of tens of millions of Americans. As opposed to killing several thousand military members and a million+ Iraqi civilians.

Evil really is pretty banal I guess.

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Criminal probe into this started last month. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-probes-suspicious...

As if anything in the executive branch of the US still works properly. Isn't the FBI already raiding the homes of political opponents for intimidation? The famed US constitution with all its 'checks and balances' they would never shut up about turned out to be papier mâché and completely trampled by the first person that tried.

>constitution ... turned out to be papier mâché

Give it time.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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If you are trading in the futures market and you don't have inside info or are not an actual supplier of the commodity, you are the sucker.

To be fair, you could also be a real world user of a commodity and productively use futures markets. For example, an airline or trucking company using them to hedge fuel prices.

Then your average price is higher than average. I heard airlines don't use futures any more because they need to keep costs low.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Isn't there a 50% chance you are betting on the "insider" side of it?

There's a The issue is that the odds aren't actually 50/50 on you buying either side of the trade; one half will look like a better deal (and given public information, it is a better deal) so you'll buy that half. Then when the market resolves, it'll turn out that insiders knew some piece of information that made the other half of the trade a better choice.

If that was the case you'd start consistently buying the side that looks worse, which would align with insiders and you'd make money.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a The issue is that the odds aren't actually 50/50 on you buying either side of the trade; one half will look like a better deal (and given public information, it is a better deal) so you'll buy that half. Then when the market resolves, it'll turn out that insiders knew some piece of information that made the other half of the trade a better choice.

So then the person who uses public information is actually the bigger fool than someone who uses no information whatsoever and just picks a side of the bet. If insiders know that a volcano is going to erupt and offers a 50/50 payout, people who know the historical improbability will bet that is will NOT erupt, thinking it is an easy payout. But there will be some idiots out there that bet that it will erupt based on…

It's often true - index investors tend to do better than people who follow corporate prononcements.

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post #215

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> In the UK, the Prime Minister or the Home Office cannot ring up any of the enforcement agencies and tell them to drop a corruption case - the law is supposed to apply to everyone. I would not rely on that. The Attorney General can withdraw prosecutions, and is a government minister (although not technically in the Cabinet). Parliament can do anything , it just usually doesn't. This includes retroactive legislation…

Yep; I think the above comment took the wrong lessons. What actually happened in the US is that "common norms and expectations" were thrown out the window, so instead of the question being "What is traditionally done?" it became "What can legally be done?" And, as it turns out, when you're only constrained by the letter of the law the executive branch is insanely powerful. UK politics, more than most younger countrie…

It sailed straight past "What can legally be done?" to "What can be done without me going to jail?"
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