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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by rcore »

grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

AI music is not a technological advancement in music. AI music is just a side effect of advancements in generative AI. This can be extended to other areas where generative AI gains traction. AI generated texts are not literary advancements in literature, AI generated art are not advancements in art etc.

As for the lowest common denominator part, it is true for all types of generative AI. AI will almost always spit out the lowest common denominator of the medium it tries to generate.

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Post by RiverCrochet »

neonstatic wrote: post #201
RiverCrochet wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

So it does something good for you, then you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made. You are letting your mind overwrite a genuine response you had based on an opinion that "it should not feel good because it's AI made". As I said in another comment - intelectualization.

Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of money if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

Mark finds $100,000 (something good for Mark), then finds out it's the inheritance of a family who's about to get kicked out of their house (label due to how it was made). Mark decides he should not keep the money because it belongs to the family (intellectualizing).

You're saying Mark should have kept the money because doing otherwise is intellectualizing.

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Post by sevenzero »

hexasquid wrote: post #284
sevenzero wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti AI sentiment regarding arts is the only correct sentiment. Art is about human expression which AI can never achieve.

No machine could create the sublime human connection I get from Crazy Frog.

Finally a based comment on HN.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by andai »

threepts wrote: post #146
SkyEyedGreyWyrm wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't this the case where it needed to be very specifically (and repeatedly) prompted by a team to do this? With many outputs having to be discarded? Obviously the tech has improved, but if it is the case I'm thinking of, then it wasn't able to do what you are suggesting (again, not without heavy user prompting and curation)

Yes and it is still impressive even with regard to that. In the near future we will probably have a mini 50B parameter model prompting the bigger model and we would have these results consistently.

Could you elaborate? I hear some people say a big model should be driving a smaller model, I hear some people say a small model should be driving a bigger models.

When I have an expensive task that is clearly defined, I will get opus to write an LLM workflow for it, and then I will execute it with a smaller model. (Starting with the smallest one, and then upgrading if the task fails.)

But this is a single well defined task, designed by me and Opus in concert. If I need ongoing agentic work, Opus would be too expensive. I'm not sure if Haiku is big enough to be the driver yet. And Sonnet is probably too big! Haha.

(Grok looks promising, optics aside... Grok 4 Fast was almost there but not quite. Great for interactive / realtime (steered) work though.)

But I'm thinking you need a smallish model which can delegate both up and down. I'm not exactly sure what that looks like though. Cause the model needs to be big enough to know that it's struggling... Instead of pattern matching to something stupid and getting stuck in a loop trying to solve it the wrong way.

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Post by ssl-3 »

cromka wrote: post #286
ssl-3 wrote: post #258

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But this song is an entire composition that includes lyrics, and there isn't much left of it with those lyrics cast aside. It's got no hook.

Did you listen to the end of that video? That's where i got surprised, the lyrics were just a build up.

The bar or two of synth right at the end? The part they cut off almost as soon as it began, that happened right after the lazy lyrics about "British tube with a middle east zest"?

Yeah, I heard that. It was so "good" that dude-man here stopped playing the track when it showed up. ;)

If there is something good to this composition (which, again, is inclusive of its lyrics), then that goodness is the mechanical dryness of it all -- which is absurdly profound.

And to be clear, I'm very OK with mechanical music and also with absurd music. These things can be a lot of fun.

The absurdity-level mechanality could have been a hook in and of itself with a bit of occasional embellishment. There was an obvious play-on-words about "British tube meat" that wasn't explored at all.

   "British tube meat at its absolute best"
and then, for the next break

   "My British tube meat is a dripping mess"
Lines like these basically write themselves. They would help to complete a hilariously absurd mental image, and yet they were somehow just beyond the grasp of the bot.

So the song's got no hook. It can't even succeed at being background noise because the missed opportunities shine so brightly that they're impossible to ignore.

2/10. Needs work. (In this way, it's very similar to the vibe-coded stuff I fuck around with.)

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Post by grokys »

amarant wrote: post #256
giogio wrote: post #158

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I mean this respectfully, I encourage you to listen to more music if you find this to be “the best hip hop in a long time”

Any recommendations?

Without knowing your tastes, hard to say; so here's a selection of mine...

Classics:

Busdriver - Me-Time (With The Pulmonary Palimpsest): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0Y-CRx4nE

Kendrick Lamar - reincarnated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek7UvQPCQnE

Black Star - Re:Definition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt2lLWxxV9w

Leftfield:

Themselves - Each Ant in Their House: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjkZDGZ5SB8

Sole & Dose - Human Races the Tortoise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RP52H9bdag

Last 12 months:

Little Simz - Lotus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2BplWSCZpY&list=RDZ2BplWSCZ...

Jim Legxacy - idk idk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzvQP2fV-c&list=RDsZzvQP2fV...

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Post by neonstatic »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #283
neonstatic wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which puts the label "AI made" on it and that changes the listener's perspective. In the example given, the listener had a strong emotional reaction to the sound, but after they put the "AI made" label on it, they suddenly convince themselves to not have that emotional response anymore.

> and that changes the listener's perspective No, that's not the causality. They put the AI label on it and they change their perspective, but the bulk of the perspective change is not specifically because AI, it's because the specific person they felt a connection to doesn't exist. You could get a similar reaction with an extremely impersonal but non-AI method of making a song.

> As I said in another comment - intellectualization.

I think you are proving my point

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by Dylan16807 »

neonstatic wrote: post #317
Dylan16807 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that changes the listener's perspective No, that's not the causality. They put the AI label on it and they change their perspective, but the bulk of the perspective change is not specifically because AI, it's because the specific person they felt a connection to doesn't exist. You could get a similar reaction with an extremely impersonal but non-AI method of making a song.

> As I said in another comment - intellectualization. I think you are proving my point

I'm not the one complaining. I have no emotion in this. What conflict do you think I have internally?

You're criticizing an overly simplified version of the actual argument, and I'm trying to help you understand the actual argument.

You could criticize their actual argument. I think there could be a healthy debate there. Their argument, about being disappointed there is no actual author you could have a meeting of the minds with, is something that matters different amounts to different people. Even if you still dislike that argument, it's something you can't dismiss as a mere prejudice that got intellectualized.

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Post by _kulang »

twoodfin wrote: post #77
mjr00 wrote: post #20

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> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

hn consumers by and large weren’t upvoting AI-written technology articles 12 months ago. The models got better, and now multiple such articles appear on the front page daily—with glowing comments. Humanity’s aesthetics are not (apparently) all that sophisticated on average.

It’s also hard to develop taste in an environment flooded with content. I am not sure how much of that is AI writing getting better, and how much of that is just a lack of taste from the newest members

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by vintermann »

userbinator wrote: post #228
vintermann wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? There are countless people "on the other end" --- everyone who contributed training data, and of course the one who prompted the AI to generate the result. It's odd that this debate always ends up with one side thinking there's a machine autonomously generating music, when in fact AI-generated music comes from humans using AI to create what they want.

No, if you look at the actual AI generated music flooding the streaming services, it's pretty clear that they're not trying to create what they want in a musical sense. They probably don't even listen to the things they put out.
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