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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by xpe »

So far, after reading ~20 HN comments, I see one mention of something akin to "I verified this myself". Where are the people saying "Maybe this is true, but please tell me you considered other explanations first!"

I try to avoid X, and I put relatively low credence in a HN account I don't know. [1] Browsing X, it looks like something like 1 out of 20 say they verified.

Who here has _verified_ this claim or can find a _quality_ source that has? Not X. Someone who will take serious reputational or financial damage if they are wrong?

It is 2026. Think about epistemics. What do you believe and why? And why should I believe you if you aren't asking this question?

This situation has many characteristics of being an information cascade. [2] Raise your hand if you piled on before thinking it through. Be honest. Everyone does it sometimes. Intellectually honest people own it.

P.S. I am _not_ making a claim about the original statement. Don't shoot the messenger: somebody needs to say what I'm saying.

[1]: "We cannot trust identity like we used to here on HN ... we live in a world or anyone or any AI can claim almost anything ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47804884

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by FireBeyond »

duped wrote: post #172
2ndorderthought wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are technically billing people for services not rendered without any disclaimer?

Price discrimination for services is mostly legal

Look at the wedding industry. Get a bunch of quotes on floral work. Then get a bunch of quotes for the same work, but tell them the event is a wedding. Oh, hey, look, you're getting charged 30% or beyond extra.

(I am not a full-time wedding photographer, but have shot maybe 20 weddings, and heard of this multiple times.)

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by frankchn »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #309
kenmacd wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> scamming from the literal money That's par the course for Anthropic. I added some money to my account before I really had a use case for product. A year later they said my money had expired and when I contacted support they basically told me to pound sand. This while they have the audacity to list one of their corporate values as 'Be good to our users'. They'll never get another dollar from me.

Everybody does that, the only question is how much time they give you. The issue, as far as I remember hearing, is that in the US expiring company credit can be immediately recorded as income, whereas indefinite-term credit only becomes income once the user spends it.

Gift cards generally cannot expire until 5 years after activation in the United States (CARD Act 2009), so I would have wanted a similar time period here at least.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by regexorcist »

tjpnz wrote: post #272
regexorcist wrote: post #17

Things like these (Google also banned me from Antigravity for briefly using an agent) and the massive quality swings made me cancel all 3 subs last week and resort to my local Qwen 3.6 only. Open models are already great and only getting better, and I really enjoy the privacy and consistency of a model I run myself.

Spent the better part of a week trying to integrate local models into my LazyVim workflow. I've tried both Avante and CodeCompanion and have yet to find any configuration which remotely works. Either it goes into an endless loop, the project directory gets filled with garbage or it can't find the file to apply changes to despite it just being read from. Not sure if it's a Qwen problem, plugins, or Ollama.

I suggest to have opencode drive the model. I also use neovim and these days I mostly just have a tmux pane side by side. But opencode does support ACP mode which you can use with codecompanion and the like.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ac29 »

in_cahoots wrote: post #237
duped wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price discrimination for services is mostly legal

Imagine if it were Comcast instead of Claude. Comcast gives you 750GB of data a month. Now they decide that visiting HN 'counts' as 750GB and either shut you off or bill you extra. Is that price discrimination or changing the terms after the fact?

Not a great example since using Anthropic subscriptions with third party applications was never allowed, they just didnt take steps to prevent it until recently.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by moomoo11 »

dmd wrote: post #3

I really want to stick with A\ given everything known about Altman, but man are they speedrunning the "how to destroy your reputation" guidebook.

I’d argue sama is a far better person.

At least you know his intentions, which is that he will do anything to win. And codex actually works, I can let it run for hours and at least come back and it’s done a good job.

CC not only fucked me with false advertising on Opus that I cancelled, but it fucking stops working so often or sucks after a little bit of context usage.

A\ ceo is a bad salesman (50% of X will lose their jobs, 3 months later 50% of Y will lose their jobs).

A\ also falsely advertised their Opus usage that me and many others cancelled months ago. They even were nuking all GitHub issues around this.

IMO, CC is for tourists and people who fall for AI marketing on X.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by margalabargala »

schubidubiduba wrote: post #284
margalabargala wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand. The user didn't take an action that was "against the TOS". The TOS simply allows Anthropic to decline to fulfill a request at any time for any reason.

TOS are not laws. They often conflict with actual laws, and are then void. So you can't just say "It's in the TOS", you do have to look at actual laws and whether they may be violated (Because it is anticompetitive or whatever else)

Sorry, are you claiming that it's illegal (in the US, where Anthropic operates) for Anthropic to decline to operate on a repo that contains commits relating to OpenClaw?

Or just that in your opinion, it should be illegal?

Simply doing something anticompetitive is not inherently illegal, despite a lot of people thinking it is.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by rapind »

delusional wrote: post #115
dangus wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.

I mean obviously. Why would the companies that control this technology NOT charge the absolute maximum amount their customers are willing to pay? This doesn't even have anything to do with if it loses money or not. Obviously they are going to charge as much as possible.

Ideally? Competition.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ifwinterco »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #307
ifwinterco wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point everyone doing these kind of flows (using claws or any other flows that run agents in a loop 24/7) using any kind of subscription-based billing for inference must be aware they're on borrowed time. Enough people have gone over the economics - you're costing OpenAI/Anthropic money, potentially a lot of money, so it's inevitable that sooner or later that particular party will come to an end. Having said t…

The demo above uses the prompt "hi". The openclaw string is in the git history, which Claude goes looking for.

You're right, didn't read that properly. Okay then that actually makes sense if that's a (relatively) deterministic way to work out if openclaw is used

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by xpe »

dm270 wrote: post #110

Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%. This is a reason to seriously consider changing providers.

>Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%.

Substantively: assuming this is true, what are the possible explanations? If they don't use OpenClaw, wouldn't this suggest there is some other cause?

What company? Will these people go on the record?

We live in a world where it is irrational for me to put much credence in a HN account. I see it has 125 karma and was created in January 2022.

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