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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Someone's going to have to provide me with an explainer of how many different proxy forces are involved in Yemen. I can barely keep up with Lebanon and have forgotten Syria.

In the Middle East everyone fights with everyone else and everyone is in covert or open alliance with everyone else. Simultaneously.

Arab Bedouin saying:

"I and my brother against my cousin, and I and my cousin against the stranger."

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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OPEC has long been Saudi Arabia reducing output, and everyone else selling everything they can. They haven't had much power since the 1970s, but that they exist means they are a threat that if everyone else actually stuck to the agreement for a change. This is the common problem for cartels: everyone has inventive to cheat on the deals made. By selling a little more than your share you get more money, while because e…

Tangent but: this is also why reducing greenhouse gas emissions is hard. As long as fossil fuels remain one of the cheapest easiest to scale ways to make power, there’s a similar incentive to cheat. If everyone else cuts emissions and you don’t, your margins are higher and you can undercut them. Global reductions require an all-cooperate scenario. Developing nations have the strongest incentive to cheat since they ne…

> As long as fossil fuels remain one of the cheapest easiest to scale ways to make power, there’s a similar incentive to cheat. If everyone else cuts emissions and you don’t, your margins are higher and you can undercut them. Global reductions require an all-cooperate scenario.

IMO economics always wins. You're never going to see an all-cooperate scenario.

You will see an all-compete scenario, so constantly reducing costs for alternatives is key but you also have to find a way to ensure that the producers can win economically too. This is the conundrum.

If solar panels get cheap enough to create high demand, then that demand has to carry through the process of manufacturing, installing and maintenance. Every time I read that solar has gotten even cheaper, I start calling for quotes to install them at my house and the prices are borderline obscene. Same for geothermal last time I needed to update my HVAC.

I want solar and geothermal to work but the economics are a challenge.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Cheap and plentiful fossil fuels. We’re rolling back CAFE standards too.

CAFE standards were always a stupid idea. If we want to reduce fuel usage then increase the tax on fuel instead of punishing manufacturers for selling vehicles that consumers want to buy.

We shouldn't prohibit dumping toxic waste in the river, we should just tax it!

I am familiar with the EU situation. The carbon tax you would have needed to achieve the effect of fleet emission standards would have been political suicide.

And that is not just psychological. People who buy used cars and drive their cars until they fall apart are well correlated with people who can't afford high carbon tax. Buyers of new cars are the people who can. Carbon Tax would mean massive redistribution of the money raised. Yet another political mine field.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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The problem is that grid scale power plants can't just turn on when the sun isn't shining. If the negative prices during the day and positive prices at night lead to energy storage, then it's a solution. Otherwise, it's just a glut at some times of day.

>The problem is that grid scale power plants can't just turn on when the sun isn't shining They can, though? Batteries can offset the start-up times, otherwise gas plants can start up within minutes and nuclear can ramp up within days

"Days" is too long when you need power at night. Coal and gas combined cycle plants take too long just like nuclear.

Turbines could work. But that's not the majority of plants.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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The US is more of a bouncer on behalf of Israel than anything else, really.

-- Moshe, why are you keep reading anti-Semitic papers? -- I just like to hear how powerful and clever we are.

Defense of Israel was the primary justification offered in a recent State department memo asserting the legal basis for the war with Iran. Unusually, its publication was not announced on social media or to the press, unlike most state department official pronouncements. Anyway, rather than being opinion, this is (for the present) the official position of the United States government.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-legal-adviser/2...

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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This is to a large part to give Egypt plausible deniability. They don’t want to deal with Gaza, refugees, or a humanitarian crisis, but also don’t want the political fallout of taking action like the Israelis do.

Eh, 50/50. Israel would not respond positively to Egypt throwing the gates wide open.

The Israeli openly proposed for the Gaza Palestinians to move to Egypt (effectively ethnic cleansing Gaza, their obvious goal), not that long after 7.10.

Egypt said 'HELL NO', first, because they don't want to deal with Palestinians (both political and economic nightmare), and second because it would have been viewed as ceding to Israelis and helping them cleanse Gaza, which would be highly unpopular among their population.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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OPEC has long been Saudi Arabia reducing output, and everyone else selling everything they can. They haven't had much power since the 1970s, but that they exist means they are a threat that if everyone else actually stuck to the agreement for a change. This is the common problem for cartels: everyone has inventive to cheat on the deals made. By selling a little more than your share you get more money, while because e…

Saudi are staying and UAE is leaving because they want to pump more.

They want to pump more than they can hide, so they're leaving.

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1) The UAE has its "Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_p... ) to Fujairah export terminal on the "Gulf of Oman" bypassing the choke-point of "Strait of Hormuz" entirely. Given the current blockade of the strait and its uncertain future, Fujairah is now central to crude oil shipments for the World Market. 2) Thus far, the UAE has been prevented from maximizing…

1) The pipeline to Fujairah has capacity of 1.5m barrels per day, i.e. less than hald of UAE's current oil production. They still need Hormuz badly. 2) They can gain by increasing their production, IF they can get that out through Hozmuz. And IF (after Hormuz is opened) other OPEC+ countries DO NOT decide to do the same and the price of oil collapses. 3) US did not meaningfully came to their help. The high-end air de…

> 1) The pipeline to Fujairah has capacity of 1.5m barrels per day, i.e. less than hald of UAE's current oil production. They still need Hormuz badly.

Not quite. ADCOP was carrying 50% of UAE production (1.5-1.8 million bpd) and is being ramped up significantly. OPEC had limited UAE's output to 2.9-3.5 million bpd thus far and since the conflict UAE has been targeting 5 million bpd. With this announcement the dependence on Hormuz is being lessened drastically.

> 2) They can gain by increasing their production, IF they can get that out through Hozmuz. And IF (after Hormuz is opened) other OPEC+ countries DO NOT decide to do the same and the price of oil collapses.

As pointed out above Hormuz is being bypassed with ADCOP's capacity being ramped up. I am willing to bet, this announcement is what will get Iran to seriously consider removing its blockade of Strait of Hormuz since its main leverage will be gone. A good example is Russia's loss of leverage over Europe when most of the EU countries cut their dependencies on Russian Oil/Gas since the start of the Ukraine war.

> 3) US did not meaningfully came to their help. The high-end air defense systems were reserved/moved to Isreal. They mostly defended themselves, with the stuff they bought over the years from the US. A slightly cynical take would be 'classic protection racket'.

Most of UAE's equipment is from the US. See US approves $7 billion more in weapons for UAE - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-approves-7-bill... and U.S. Considers Financial Support for Oil-Rich U.A.E - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/economy/us-uae-f... Only recently have they started diversifying with a major defence deal with South Korea.

> 4) The national interests of other OPEC members are best served by being united against greater forces from outside region, not by fracturing and bickering among themselves. This is classical divide and conquer.

Nope; OPEC/OPEC+ exists only to serve the interests of Saudi Arabia and Russia. The others went along since money was rolling in anyway. But now the geopolitical situation has changed and every member has to look after its own national interests.

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All that may be true. Also true: If Egypt opened the border and Israel objected, Israel would take swift military action.

No, why? Israel would celebrate. But NONE of the Arab countries want to help Gaza people really.

if egypt opened the border, it would mean weapons and bombs flowing from egypt into gaza.

thats not something israel would be excited about

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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To anyone wondering, yes this is a consequence of the War in Iran but what this means isn't exactly clear. Or rather the consequences aren't clear. For a super brief background, the US has what's been called an oil-for-security deal with Saudi Arabia since 1945. The US supports the Saudi royal family and Saudi Arabia keeps the oil flowing, which has largely been the case (other than 1973). Saudi Arabia remains the "b…

> Short-term this smells like the US is either behind this break or at least approves of it. The idea is probably for the UAE to increase production in an effort to stabilize oil prices. This administration has also shown a complete disregard for historic alliances (including NATO) and they probably view OPEC as a cartel they want to break up. I've seen reporting over the past week or so regarding the US potentially…

I believe that this administration more than any other post-WW2 administration either has a complete disregard for alliances or is actively seeking to shatter them even though most of them were designed by the US for US interests (eg NATO).

So yes, I can see this admin seeing OPEC as a cartel that is against US interests even though OPEC actually stabilizes global oil prices, actively. I also believe it's highly likely that the US wants to crash the global oil market when the Strait eventually reopens ahead of the midterms.

I too have seen the reports of a potential US UAE bailout and that could be leverage here. It's too early to say. It'll take time to realize the consequences of this deal and understand what led up to it and what the real goals are.

The whole war goes beyond miscalculation. It's the worst strategic blunder in US history (IMHO) and it's not even close. In 1973, the worst impacts happened 6 months after the blockade started. Well, guess what's in 6 months? The midterms. Iran is acutely aware of the US domestic politics of this. Iran also knows this is their best possible chance to end economic sanctions. Iran is more prepared to wait this out. Their goal really is to make the cost of this war so high that the US will never again think about repeating it.

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