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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by nixon_why69 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #308
nixon_why69 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics are different in China, certainly nobody is going to the press. But they also have a culture where lots of politicians have technical degrees, and they've gotten better results as far as government and science. You don't have the problem of "global warming isn't real for cultural reasons" in the first place.

The Soviet Union had great math & science research infrastructure and leaders who were science and technologists. They still had political pressure that conflicted with science. Why would we think China is any different?

You don't have to be convinced. I'm in Wuhan right now and self-driving cars and autonomous delivery vehicles are pretty common. They have nice electric Buicks here because the local org that worked with GM for the brand has surpassed GM at building Buicks.

The US of 2026 has specific ideological pressure against scientists that is not nearly as bad as the cultural revolution but in the same direction.

It's not about which science would be good for Americans, or what would be the most effective directions to pursue, which way is best to minimize corruption while we invest in things that benefit everyone -- it's about the existence of particular scientific facts being politically incorrect therefore they must be suppressed, and additionally these scientists are effeminate elites and we hate them.

China does not have these attitudes in 2026. They have problems and are not perfect but they're probably better on "give scientists the ability to influence policy".

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Post by adampunk »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #105
gwerbin wrote: post #32

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Not a distraction. If bad wiring starts a fire you have to put the fire out first, then fix the wiring.

You do in fact need to fix the wire first!

That's a very important part of an electrical fire. Power must no longer be dissipated via the bad wire before you start trying to extinguish the fire. You don't need to do RCA and repair the cabinet but if you try firefighting first you might be in for a shock.

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #294
2ndorderthought wrote: post #291

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As someone with a bit of higher education experience. There was a large amount of Chinese students paying cash to do their Ph.d's in the US. Probably 50% of the student body in some schools. A large portion of that 50% went immediately back to China after obtaining their degrees. https://eig.org/immigrant-retention-estimates/

How many of them had children on US soil before returning?

Of the ones I knew, zero. They got their degree, put all of their stuff in the apartment dumpster, a lot of it brand new, and left. Can't speak for others.

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Post by joe_mamba »

Spooky23 wrote: post #90
joe_mamba wrote: post #15

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Why do you ask? Do you assume those fired NSF workers want to go work in China now? Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology?

Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. The dismantling of everything to maximize executive power in order to maximize grift and corruption will have effects for decades. This is the American version of the cultural revolution. We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.

>We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.

What?! Who's doing that? Plumbers and scientists are not interchangeable cogs. Big brain scientist won't make good plumbers and plumbers won't make good scientists.

And plus, so what if they would be doing it? Why do you make it sound like being a plumber is like being a leper somehow? The world needs plumbers too and they make a pretty penny. See that US warship that wasn't combat effective anymore because the shitters broke. You can't win a war with starbucks sipping scientists, you still need roughnecks willing to get their hands dirty, fight, build and fix things.

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Post by joe_mamba »

solid_fuel wrote: post #200
joe_mamba wrote: post #117

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> The country has a social credit score Yeah that is concerning. Glad the US doesn't have any sort of credit scoring system that might make it hard to get out of poverty. That would be really scary. Imagine if you had to pass a credit check to get an apartment!

Needless whataboutism to move offtopic.

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Post by Henchman21 »

Lots of comments here where people simply refuse to understand the mission:

Trump's goal is to destroy the United States of America at the behest of his foreign handlers.

You can deny it all you want, but it is the only thing that matches up with all his actions.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by Ms-J »

dang wrote: post #184
dublinstats wrote: post #127

National Science Board. Not the entire NSF.

Good catch. I've replaced the title above with the article's HTML doc title. (Submitted title was "Trump fires all 24 members of the U.S. National Science Foundation", which was probably just an attempt to fit HN's 80 char limit that had collateral damage)

Hi dang, I sent you an email about all my comments showing up as dead and another problem, could you take a look when you get a chance?

Thanks.

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