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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

kube-system wrote: post #307
2ndorderthought wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to get leaked. They can sell it and use it as another means to identify Internet users. Meta is pretty infamous for identifying, tracking, and understanding user behavior. We are kind of past the point where these companies care at all. If you think the push to add age verification to operating systems is an unrelated giggle I envy you. Something something Cambridge analytica.

I think it's their employees here that have cause to be concerned, not internet users. Meta already has literally have billions of people's personal profiles and browsing history. I don't think screenshots of their SWE's IDEs is going to be useful for identifying internet users.

They could perfect it in house and then roll it out as a product. The way people type and use a mouse are pretty identifying especially when coupled with other things.

I do agree screenshots themselves are less useful for that.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by [deleted] »

lazide wrote: post #233
satvikpendem wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your screenshots go to your managers, not just anyone in the company. At Meta there are very strict safeguards for preventing employees e.g. stalking their exes, so I'd assume the same security is used for even PII filled images.

Bwahaha. The same protections the NSA has? The ones on the ‘inside’ are doing to 500% of the time I’m sure

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by lukeschlather »

kube-system wrote: post #300
lukeschlather wrote: post #266

I really don't understand how this is legal. I guess Facebook maybe doesn't actually have any compliance requirements in the USA, but time series screenshots of any SRE's screen are going to contain data that should not be stored by some data vacuum. I know Meta has a reputation for shitty data handling practices and US regulations are light compared to Europe, but how are they planning on securing passwords, encrypt…

This is legal for most businesses under US law, especially on company devices. And unfortunately not unheard of. Compliance with this data is typically handled in the same way you'd handle any data access situation -- by restricting access to the screencaps to a specific group of people. Not that I support it -- but typically companies don't do this in spite of security concerns, they do it to address security concer…

I understand the security spyware, though I think it's somewhat questionable there. But this sounds like deliberately putting all of your most sensitive data in a blender and then inevitably letting anyone get a taste of the smoothie.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by motoboi »

This is how anthropic captured the code agent so fast. You need training data, users are giving it to you.

Being a terminal application, all interaction is trainable signal (unlike, say, cursor, which is an IDE and let users freely explore, edit the files, move the mouse. Model sees nothing of it, nothing to train upon).

So meta is doing the obvious, we want to train a computer use model, we need training data. Better to capture from employee than buying low quality data.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by kube-system »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #311
kube-system wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's their employees here that have cause to be concerned, not internet users. Meta already has literally have billions of people's personal profiles and browsing history. I don't think screenshots of their SWE's IDEs is going to be useful for identifying internet users.

They could perfect it in house and then roll it out as a product. The way people type and use a mouse are pretty identifying especially when coupled with other things. I do agree screenshots themselves are less useful for that.

That doesn't make any sense.

1. Why use their employee's data to fingerprint input? They could do that to a billion+ of their users instead.

2. Input fingerprinting is multi-decades old science, there are already production products that do this.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by kube-system »

lukeschlather wrote: post #314
kube-system wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is legal for most businesses under US law, especially on company devices. And unfortunately not unheard of. Compliance with this data is typically handled in the same way you'd handle any data access situation -- by restricting access to the screencaps to a specific group of people. Not that I support it -- but typically companies don't do this in spite of security concerns, they do it to address security concer…

I understand the security spyware, though I think it's somewhat questionable there. But this sounds like deliberately putting all of your most sensitive data in a blender and then inevitably letting anyone get a taste of the smoothie.

Just like you'd secure data on a normal internal production system, I'd presume one wouldn't simply let anyone get a taste of the smoothie. But who knows -- move fast and break things, I guess.
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