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Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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I'm sure it's exhausting producing an awesome product, only to get crapped on by governments and corporations that hate privacy and drama-farming Twitter randos, but debunking bad-faith bullshit is nothing if not rational in a world where reputation matters.

Even here, the same people come out of the woodwork every single time to hit the same bad-faith talking points. I've got a lot of respect for the whole team for doing what they do despite all of it.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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> Immature maybe Yeah, that’s the issue. I don’t want people who behave immaturely, impulsively, or vindictively, having a key role in something as important as my phone os. I want stability, maturity, and thoughtfulness.

Mental health and wellness issues in high tech research and development are everywhere. I would suggest that you focus on the product and what it can/cannot do for you.

I trust you didn't mean it that way, but it's totally improper to go to speculations about mental health in response to discussions about communication styles and maturity.

While I appreciate the second line and think it's generally the right answer with FOSS projects, your speculation poisons the well.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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And what good is the phone when 3 switches are off? You think that people buy a phone with a "mic killswitch" expects to have to turn off practically everything including internet to make sure that their mics aren't snooped on? Does that really sound like a functioning "killswitch"?

The mind, it boggles. On a long enough timeline he'll probably cite this comment chain as proof you were unable to respond to his concerns, like everyone else who's ever tried.

Oh he's already done that when I explained to him how stuff like PureBoot has circular logic and doesn't actually work on Qubes forum already.

Unfortunately he will just ignore every single counter argument ever made and blindly believe these companies because their marketing material has "freedom" and "FOSS" in it.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Rossmann made a thread on Kiwi Farms because Kiwi Farms members support him, and they support harassing his targets. Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him. Rossmanns thread on the site is in support of him, not a harassment thread against him.

>Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him Once again. Okay and? Kiwifarms is a legal site in the us. He is engaging in no harassment or doxxing of anyone just talking to people that talk about him. Does micay talking on twitter with other people mean he supports musk or anything else anybody do…

It's beyond guilt-by-platform-use. I just started looking into this today, but the primary dox thread thanks Rossman for information he provided, so I'm not entirely sure about your claim. When Rossman does weigh in on that site he seems fairly unbothered by the fact that people on there are posting every private detail they can unearth of Micay's and calling for Micay's violent murder, at least from what I've seen in my cursory glance.

He's also made highly-viewed videos theatrically (and ridiculously) expressing technically unfounded concerns about the project, laid the blame at Micay's feet, and went on to make verifiably false claims about the project, about himself, about his own relation to it (from everything I can find about it), and appears to have no problem stoking any of it.

I had long appreciated Rossman's work on right-to-repair, but when that video came out I found it pretty beneath his potential. He scored cheap points from his considerably bully pulpit for his own benefit.

Reducing that to mere guilt by association hardly captures it.

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Rossmann made a thread on Kiwi Farms because Kiwi Farms members support him, and they support harassing his targets. Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him. Rossmanns thread on the site is in support of him, not a harassment thread against him.

>Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him Once again. Okay and? Kiwifarms is a legal site in the us. He is engaging in no harassment or doxxing of anyone just talking to people that talk about him. Does micay talking on twitter with other people mean he supports musk or anything else anybody do…

It's beyond guilt-by-platform-use. I just started looking into this today, but the primary dox thread thanks Rossman for information he provided, so I'm not entirely sure about your claim. When Rossman does weigh in on that site he seems fairly unbothered by the fact that people on there are posting every private detail they can unearth of Micay's and calling for Micay's violent murder, at least from what I've seen in my cursory glance.

He's also made highly-viewed videos theatrically (and ridiculously) expressing technically unfounded concerns about the project, laid the blame at Micay's feet, and went on to make verifiably false claims about the project, about himself, about his own relation to it (from everything I can find about it), and appears to have no problem stoking any of it.

I had long appreciated Rossman's work on right-to-repair, but when that video came out I found it pretty beneath his potential. He scored cheap points from his considerably bully pulpit for his own benefit.

Reducing that to mere guilt by association hardly captures it. I posted some more detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47868159

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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When Louis Rossmann thinks your communication has a problem with going on rants, it must be pretty out there.

Rossmann is a way bigger ranter than GrapheneOS people. Have you seen some of his videos lol. Rossmann wanted to work with GOS and they didn't want him. So Rossmann made that video to make Daniel look bad for revenge probably. Saying he was leaving GOS was a lie, not that GOS can push malicious updates which was also a huge lie. Even after pointing that out that part wasn't corrected because Louis doesn't care about…

That video of Rossman's was cheap theatrical trash. Disappointingly beneath him.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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> because it is bypassable via the sensors. Did you even look in my link, which we are discussing? My quote from there: > Sensors are also switched off on Librem 5 by the three kill switches: https://puri.sm/posts/lockdown-mode-on-the-librem-5-beyond-h...

Everything Micay said in that linked thread was and remains correct. You again fail to address what was incorrect in his comment. Going on to later ask people "what is correct about it?" is rhetorically disingenuous at best. But as you consistently slide any adjacent topic you can into a discussion about the Librem 5 (no matter how tortured a segue), let's go with that and revisit it. I looked at your puri.sm link, a…

Not entirely sure if the chip they are using (WM8962) can be reconfigured as a mic or not... it probably can't. But yes, the speaker is still active even when the mic is toggle off.

Everything else is pretty much the argument though - who buys a phone with a microphone killswitch so good that for it to actually function you must also flip the other killswitches to kill both wifi and cellular connection? A microphone killswitch so impeccable that in order for you to not be snooped on you also have to give up texting and browsing the internet. Truely impressive stuff.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Which part of the mission statement mandates publishing rants as official public communications?

It doesn't really matter, because their target audience does not care about that.

No true Scotsman.

It’s sad to see this childishness around what should be an important project.

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It doesn't really matter, because their target audience does not care about that.

No true Scotsman. It’s sad to see this childishness around what should be an important project.

The point being made is if the project and code were important to you, you wouldn’t be judging it based on the founder’s social media habits…just how it runs, and if it continues to do that year after year.

Spoiler, it’s great, and will continue on.

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