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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by languagehacker »

Skidaddle wrote: post #244
languagehacker wrote: post #197

My OpenClaw assistant (who's been using Claude) lost all his personality over the last week, and couldn't figure out how to do things he never had any issues doing. I racked up about $28 worth of usage and then it just stopped consuming anymore, so I don't know if there was some other issue, but it was persistent. I got sick of it and used a migration script to move my assistant's history and personality to a claude…

What does your Claude Code implementation of OpenClaw look like?

I used https://github.com/Kevjade/migrate-openclaw, and then started running Claude Code with remote exec against an empty folder that I've advised it to start adding new memories into. So far, my bot's personality is back, and it can utilize the same skills as before, which is was failing on last week.

I don't have an especially heavyweight implementation, because I only use mine to review things I've written in my Apple Notes (journaling of various kinds, mostly) and give insights.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by thefounder »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #268
thefounder wrote: post #236

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I don’t get why people are so surprised. Didn’t they learn anything from Twitter APIs and the like. The APIs are open as long as they serve the short term problem then Anthropic builds the features people actually use (more or less) and ban the usage of APIs for competing clients

This is the exact opposite of what you are describing, where Anthropic locked down the API until they released their competitor, then re-allowed API

Not really. They realised they acted too soon. Give them some time until the market “consolidates” and they will change again their policy. Why would they want someone else to develop competing clients?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by victorbjorklund »

bandrami wrote: post #157
hobom wrote: post #145

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They are taking in more than they are spending hosting them. However, the cost for training the next generation of models is not covered.

Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.

I really doubt that since prices are even higher than no-name hosts on open router etc charges.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by azmz »

Alifatisk wrote: post #28

> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

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Post by gck1 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #245
joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

They really need to figure out the rules, look I'd love to use a custom harness with Claude Code that I can extend, or build my own (which I'm doing) and use it with my Claude Code license, I don't want to overspend on tokens if I can help it. They really need to set their bar for the next model releases to use less tokens, or to trim their own cost for how these models are run. I'd be okay with a slightly slower exp…

You can't really 'figure out' the rule that imposes restrictions on a client side interface of your models. As long as cli exists, third party software will always be able to interact with it, whether Anthropic likes it or not.

This is why it's so inconsistent and confusing. They simply can't come up with a rule that only affects OpenClaw/pi/etc and not 'allowed' automations. You either permit automation, or you don't. Right now, they want to have it both ways.

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Post by tinodb »

azmz wrote: post #314
Alifatisk wrote: post #28

> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

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Can you just stop the spam?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dnautics wrote: post #221
TeMPOraL wrote: post #219

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Stealibg OAuth keys from first party app to impersonate it in order to not have to pay for usage with properly generated API key was never part of normal use anywhere.

You're not stealing oauth keys, they are your keys??

They are not your keys, they're a scoped agreement; using CC keys with OpenClaude meant misrepresenting the client to trick the other party into a discount.

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Post by athrowaway3z »

extr wrote: post #289
athrowaway3z wrote: post #283

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I think HN needs a regular reminder that most things sold are commodities -without limits or re-use. Coal and wheat have no DRMs. This kind of thing is the exception. Subsidized subscriptions work to distort the power of the market. The more successful they are (in destroying competition), the worse it leaves consumers. While i get the individual steps that leads them to this "difficult position", I think i'll just k…

> Most things are sold as commodities without limits or re-use. This is somehow doubly wrong. Not only are most economic goods NOT commodities, there are plenty of economic analogs to AI subscriptions (streaming, telecom, gyms, buffets) and none of them operate as "unlimited with no restrictions on re-use". Really just terribly misinformed way of thinking here.

In most parts of the world telecom & gyms are commodities - America is 'further ahead' in letting companies distort markets without regulation.

But i think you misunderstood the scope of my claim. We can argue whether its 30% or 70% of an average paycheck is spend on fungible things and per line item how much of it is fungible and not - but I was also including all the B2B sales.

Companies that let themselves become entirely dependent on specific suppliers do worse.

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