Worth highlighting: > “The goal for the families we represent has always been to prevent Alex Jones from being able to cause harm at scale, the way he did against them,” said Chris Mattei, the lawyer who argued the Connecticut families’ case in court. The deal with The Onion promises “to significantly degrade his power to do that.” > The Onion also plans to sell merchandise and share the proceeds with the Sandy Hook…
I reallyyyyy want a gay frogs t-shirt, I would wear the hell out of that. That entire rant and meme it spawned is the only good thing to come out of that man
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
An opinion would be something like "I think it's good that those kids were shot". You could say that all day and people would not like you, but no one could do anything about it. What Alex Jones did was deny reality. He suggested that the victims did not exist. He suggested the event did not happen and the grieving parents were government-hired actors. He riled up his listeners and effectively sent them after people.…
> What Alex Jones did was deny reality. He suggested that the victims did not exist. He suggested the event did not happen and the grieving parents were government-hired actors. He riled up his listeners and effectively sent them after people. He did this in spite of knowing what he was saying on his show was not true. That was a large part of things, that Alex Jones was aware he was spreading misinformation. > Let's…
What do you feel would be an appropriate punishment?
You've done a lot of whinging about how you feel the $1B is too much but that you do feel Alex Jones should be punished. Try staking out a position on what you think should happen instead of this continual "yes but not that" mess.
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#313Please can someone correct my opinion on this because I'm sure I'm missing something. I find it crazy that in the US you can't take an opinion on something without risking being bankrupted because that thing you said is later proven untrue and that it hurt someone's feelings – feeling which in the US have a monetary value of billions apparently. I agree that the media should be evidence based and it's bad when the me…
I think with Alex Jones in particular it's that people knew he had money, and so they wanted a piece of it. If you're a nobody and you say false things no one cares really. Look at all the randos on X spouting nonsense without repercussions. It didn't help that these people in power don't like him. It's dangerous to say false things and have a lot of money. People in power will use it as an excuse to take your money…
> It's dangerous to say false things and have a lot of money.
Correction: As someone who has developed themselves as a media personality, it's dangerous to say false things, particularly if the saying of false things is explicitly intended to enrich themselves further as a media personality, and they're aware of the falseness of what they're saying.
When you add in the rest of the details the outcome starts to make a lot of sense!
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Surely there's a number between $2800 quintillion and whatever low number actually gets awarded that would make sense. The actual damages awarded here is about $64 million per plaintiff, which is a lot, but not utterly absurd. If we used that amount for your chromium hypothetical, the company would need to have killed about 44 trillion people. This is, I'm reliably informed, more people than there actually are. A rea…
>Surely there's a number between $2800 quintillion and whatever low number actually gets awarded that would make sense. But it wasn't a low award. Are you unaware, or are you thinking that awards above $1.4 billion is low? >The actual damages awarded here is about $64 million per plaintiff, which is a lot, but not utterly absurd. If we divided it among 1.4 billion people, it'd only be a buck each. How can it be high…
> But it wasn't a low award. Are you unaware, or are you thinking that awards above $1.4 billion is low?
That was referring to dumping chromium. You said you've seen such judgments be tiny fractions of what was awarded against Jones. When I said maybe that means those judgments should be higher, you came up with this ridiculous $2800 quadrillion number. I'm saying, perhaps there is some reasonable number that is less than $2800 quadrillion but more than the low numbers you've seen.
> If we divided it among 1.4 billion people, it'd only be a buck each. How can it be high if it's just one dollarino per person?
If Jones had damaged and been sued by 1.4 billion people, and lost, then $1.4 billion would indeed be an extremely low award. But he wasn't.
Again, it's about actual damages, not assessing the moral severity of the injustice against the defendant's ability to pay. The jury determined that Jones damaged these specific plantiffs to a degree equivalent to a bit under a billion dollars. You can certainly disagree with that, but "if we divided it among 1.4 billion people" doesn't make a lick of sense. If 1.4 billion people were damaged to a degree that worked out to $1/person, then it would be the correct award. Nothing to do with Jones' ability to pay or how many people it's divided among.
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My comment was just a silly joke, reusing some of Jones phrasing. I never fully grasped who "the globalists" were in his mind, and why they were seemingly behind everything he dislikes, but I always found if funny. I'm just happy he lost his platform, and I find the Onion's piece rather amusing. I thought I could add to it with this dumb joke but I forgot about the fact that Jones still has a sizeable following, and…
Typically, "globalists" from the Alex Jones crowd means "Jews". https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-ori...
Yeah, always circles back to the Jews with these people....
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I reallyyyyy want a gay frogs t-shirt, I would wear the hell out of that. That entire rant and meme it spawned is the only good thing to come out of that man
neongrizzly.com (Erik of internet comment etiquette's webstore) has had a gay frog shirt for years, if you're interested. Having an official infowars one without giving Jones any money might be more appealing though.
yeah, I was pretty sure they already existed (and if not I have a printer and some tshirt iron ons) but thought an official one would be funny
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#317Incidentally, this also describes the greater part of HN. AI made it possible.
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#318Please can someone correct my opinion on this because I'm sure I'm missing something. I find it crazy that in the US you can't take an opinion on something without risking being bankrupted because that thing you said is later proven untrue and that it hurt someone's feelings – feeling which in the US have a monetary value of billions apparently. I agree that the media should be evidence based and it's bad when the me…
Depp v. Heard is another famous US libel case, but more controversial. They ruled that Heard made false claims (not just speculation) that harmed Depp's career, and she intended for it to hurt his reputation. Alex Jones met similar criteria except much worse. True though, you could be held liable if you used what you thought was real evidence to ruin someone's reputation, only to find out that it's false. I think it'…
The tik-tok psychic defamation case would likely be better comparison (which is on par with Depp v. Heard). She defamed an innocent college professor about committing murder based on tarot card readings and continued to do so after the actual murder was convicted and receiving cease and desist letters.
Local newspaper - https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article3...
Legal Bytes (actual lawyer commentary) https://youtu.be/80h2048o7Fc
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I visited with my family in rural Missouri recently. Alex Jones and InfoWars is gospel to them. I was amazed at how many times cited him as an authority on various topics. I thought they were joking, but apparently, Obama made a promise with his father before his passing that he would destroy the United States. Oh, and of course, Obama is Satan, and Trump was sent by God to protect us all. Of course.
How are they handling the breakup?
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