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GitHub's fake star economy

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Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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I think people expect the star system to be a cheap proxy for "this is a reliable piece of sorfware which has a good quality and a lot of eyes". I think as a proxy it fails completely: astroturfing aside stars don't guarantee popularity (and I bet the correlation is very weak, a lot of very fundamental system libraries have small number of stars). Stars also don't guarantee the quality. And given that you can read th…

given that you can read the code, stars seem to be a completely pointless proxy Imagine you're choosing between 3 different alternatives, and each is 100,000 LOC. Is 'reading the code' really an option? You need a proxy. Stars isn't a good one because it's an untrusted source. Something like a referral would be much better, but in a space where your network doesn't have much knowledge a proxy like stars is the only o…

It's too much work, so you decide to trust the opinion of someone else who probably also hasn't done the work.

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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Browns fan in. We're owned by a criminal (truck stop-related fraud) who was convinced by a homeless person to draft Johnny Manziel. trust me, we want to put him (and Paul Dolan) into graveyard orbit. but it's not like Vercel where you can just go use AWS or Cloudflare or whatever; and it's not like switching makes you weak, you stand by your team through the hard times! plus, what is an NFL fan going to do, stop watc…

> plus, what is an NFL fan going to do, stop watching football? hahahahahaha Former Seahawks fan here, it's easier than you think. (It wasn't their record, I stuck with them through the 90s after all, it was realizing what CTE meant for the players).

As far as I could tell everyone got a Sounders jersey in the mail as part of the Sonics move.

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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The answer isn't that they're morons. It's that they aren't people who "invest" in "good businesses" to make money, but instead on the whole a class of individuals classed with gambling on high risk ventures that will have absolutely massive returns and they don't care if 90% of them fail and 9% flounder because the 1% that succeed bring in absolutely apeshit amounts of $$ when they are acquired by someone else. Usin…

> Again, VCs don't care if you'll make a profitable business some day. They're just interested in if someone else will come along and pay out giant bags of cash for it later in a liquidity event. If they get even one of those successes, all the stupid GH star watching pays off. And if that's true, they should be slapped, hard. They're no longer performing a socially useful function, and and have degraded towards pure…

Helios? Altman? I think you mean Helion, the fusion company, not Helios (quantum computers). Either way, that’s a pretty hilarious example to use when you’re criticizing VC foolishness. Anyone doing due diligence wouldn’t go near those companies.

Spoiler alert: commercial fusion power may not be practical at all, but if it is, the timescales to delivery are measured in numbers closer to centuries than decades. Don’t fall for the hype generated to sucker those VCs you’re talking about.

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this is compounded by young, newly rich tech workers (no kids, no mortgage, maybe not even a car) experimenting with being a VC because they've recently reached accredited investor status. and it's not just ZIRP. every recent IPO or liquidity event creates literally 500 more of these guys.

They say Silicon Valley was more of a documentary than a comedy, and now we have one more way life imitates art: A growing army of Erlich Bachmann's.

Jian-Yang's

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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Can anyone explain why on earth VC's are making actual investment decisions based on imaginary internet points ? This would be like an NFL team drafting a quarterback based on how many instagram followers they have rather than a relevant metric like pass completion, or god forbid, doing some work and actually scouting candidates. Maybe the Cleveland Browns would do that[0], but it's not a way to mount a serious Super…

I think it's probably a little bit about Goodhart? At some point soon after stars were widely in use but prior to them being connected to any particular incentive I bet they were actually a great signal of... something. But then once someone started using the signal to give attention or dollars, the signal was compromised.

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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My first encounter with this was when Anthropic offered like 6 months of Claude Max 20x to open source developers with "5,000+ GitHub stars".

https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss

> Who should apply:

> You’re a primary maintainer or core team member of a public repo with 5,000+ GitHub stars

I can't blame people for maximizing star counts when benefits like these are tied to them. This is a $200 a month subscription, and it did tempt me a bit... Can't imagine what people would do if some venture capitalist dangled millions in front of them. I suppose they'd do pretty much anything.

It's weird that people are using stars as a signal though. Anyone can star a repository, it's essentially a public bookmark. I think the real popularity signal is the number of people participating in the project.

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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Right, I forgot you guys have "The Draft", so failing is an advantage, doubly so if you can sell your draft picks, because then you can keep losing by having sold away the mechanism for getting you competitive again. I am so glad the proposed "European super league" was killed off so hard, so that we don't get a franchise model, it produces so many adverse incentives.

The thing I like about EU football is that if your team sucks arse through a garden hose too long, your entire team gets demoted to a lower league. That would put a fire under some asses!

Note that it's not a European thing. It's how most football leagues around the world work.

Re: GitHub's fake star economy

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Yeah, I was pondering a few months away when I checked Pathway, an ETL solution. I've never heard about it but I saw some news that they have created a better model than transformer. So stats: - link: https://github.com/pathwaycom/pathway - watch: 115, fork: 1.6k, star: 63.5k - issues: 32, PR-s: 3 And compare to other ETL tool, like Apache Airflow - used by me and many machine learning folks: - link https://github.co…

Clearly this means new SaaS companies need to start buying forks, issues and PRs for their repos now too.
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