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Re: NASA Force

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Post by gremlinunderway »

jimmydddd wrote: post #180
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wrote code and passed it off to a dev in India to check in (US engineers weren't allowed to check in code.) ...usually it's the other way around. May I ask what the situation was? Reverse-outsourcing by the Indian central government?

Not OP. Sounds like he was considered to be a manager and wasn't allowed to get into the weeds. So instead of just managing the off shore team, he wrote some of the code for them and then let them take credit for it.

Which also means that he wasn't doing his job (management) and instead micromanaging his staff by doing their job.

This is such a common problem with highly technical managers because they can't seem to understand how to change focus or scope and do their jobs better. Instead they fall back on trying to ship features thinking that this is productive and to pat themselves on the back for staying technical.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by krapp »

ninjagoo wrote: post #300
krapp wrote: post #210

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>EDIT: Good Lord, I get the cynicism but at least someone at NASA HR is trying new things to keep the lights on. Why bother? Americans clearly don't believe in science anymore, and the American government can't be trusted to fund it properly, or to not rewrite or defund research because of wrongthink or "DEI." If I were working for NASA, or even a possible candidate for working for NASA, I'd get my passport in order…

> Americans clearly don't believe in science anymore There's about a third that lean that way or atleast they don't care, and they have gained control of the government because of various factors, namely, part of the middle third disillusioned with economics (left behind) and wanting a change, another part of the middle third staying home because of geopolitics, and yet another part of the middle third falling prey t…

I don't know what the long term fix is, because that presupposes the ability to plan long term, which is something I don't think the US is capable of anymore.

Part of the solution has to be breaking down the aggressive selfishness and individualism of American society and establishing the ideal of a common American cultural identity and civic duty. This used to exist, but only within the framework of racial and cultural homogeneity. We need that but without the Christian nationalism and white supremacy. That means Americans will have to believe in society and government and each other, rather than only their own immediate interests. It means some dirty words for Americans, a bit more "socialism" and "multiculturalism", maybe "regulations" and "taxes."

We need strong science and civics curriculum in our schools, which means we need to fund schools, which means we need to stop seeing schools as dens of atheist communist mind control, which will be a problem for a lot of the country. We need to establish separation of church and state as an explicit Constitutional principle. We need to remove tax exempt status for religious institutions. We need to repeal the Electoral College so that conservative Christian votes don't count more than everyone else. I don't think that keeping slave states in the union is still a problem worth worrying about.

But I don't know. How do you make people give a damn? How do you convince people that an objective reality exists? How do you convince people that empathy isn't a sin? Maybe it's just a generational thing. Maybe enough bastards just need to die out.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by doctornoble »

sailfast wrote: post #113

"Build a website - it's almost like you got the job done already" - Someone in the White House OEOB The new National Design Studio that replaced the USDS does not seem to be capable of building a website that is accessible, performant, and not overly bombastic / hyperbolic. Completely unreadable. Animation fails at the top, on a decently provisioned Mac laptop with 16GB of RAM. Either way - it's unfortunate that the…

I knew a bunch of folks from 18F and the USWDS team. You could not find a more capable team of designers, developers and true user experience professionals. They cared about the users and they cared about good design.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by idiotsecant »

elictronic wrote: post #249
SiempreViernes wrote: post #206

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The admin has tried two times in a row to cut the total budget by 20%, and the science budget by 50% So, probably that squeeze?

Congress sets the budget not the president. The administrations budget is aspirational, and if they want to force it they are required to use political savvy and whatever influence they have built up. Yeah so zero influence as all of that is towards cover ups, stock manipulation, and incompetence.

Yes, as we know this Congress is famous for doing its own independent thinking and not rubber stamping everything that arrives with a little bit of mango colored makeup on it.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by parsimo2010 »

The top of the page says "For a few days only" and a little later on it says something like "Early to mid career engineers with terms of 1-2 years"

So what is the time limited part? The application window? Also, how is this different from the regular government hiring process? NASA already posts job openings and takes applications for open positions. I'm pretty sure they aren't actually getting around the federal rule of "to hire someone you must have an open billet to put them in." So what is the NASA Force and what is different? It takes weeks to months to finalize the paperwork and make someone a federal employee. So we're making the application window open for a limited time for what reason?

The website is cool but I'm not really sure what the program is. They've already been able to hire eager people willing to take a mediocre salary compared to the rest of the space industry.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by suttontom »

rdiddly wrote: post #259
nine_k wrote: post #217

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I don't see any big trouble with the quoted text. The language is a bit nerdy, and a bit bureaucratic, but that's exactly what I'd expect from NASA.

It's scattered and disorganized like this administration. You work on real missions, alongside the teams building them OK alongside, but not ON, the teams building them? So apparently not actually building them myself? And also, does anyone build missions, or do they perhaps build systems? For a few days, access is granted to this work. Access is granted to whom? And to what work, the work I'll supposedly be doing? H…

You would make a good technical writer!

Re: NASA Force

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Post by khuey »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #315

The top of the page says "For a few days only" and a little later on it says something like "Early to mid career engineers with terms of 1-2 years" So what is the time limited part? The application window? Also, how is this different from the regular government hiring process? NASA already posts job openings and takes applications for open positions. I'm pretty sure they aren't actually getting around the federal rul…

Both. There's a narrow application window and the positions are also for fixed terms (rather than permanent employment).

Not really sure there's any benefit here to the applicant. Perhaps NASA is just trying to capture a bit of the Artemis 2 hype for recruiting.

Re: NASA Force

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Post by gcanyon »

erdaniels wrote: post #260
gcanyon wrote: post #166

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Wait, really? I’m not doubting you, I just didn’t go far enough into the application process to validate one way or the other.

Yeah it was the same thing with tech force or whatever it was. It's on the last page of the application.

eww

Re: NASA Force

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Post by rtaylorgarlock »

scrumper wrote: post #11

Two things: - I like the rolling Moon animation very much. - This seems like a clever way of getting talent involved during a budget squeeze, presumably with the hope that some of those they attract will still be around after this congress and the agency can stabilize once again. I guess it's also a neat kind of try-before-you-buy for both sides. NASA is prestigious and one of the very few places one could do purely…

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std::process::exit(sarcasm)

seriously though, this is HN. I'm done complaining about it. I'd like to encourage different behavior, yet my experience has taught me the opposite: Be open to offering feedback in the case feedback is requested or required. In any other case, disengage.

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