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US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

iamnothere wrote: post #118
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abolishing anonymity on the Internet. Firstly, you keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means. On the Internet, especially forums such as HN, you are "pseudonymous". That is, you made up a name for yourself, and that's how you're known to others. At the very least, we are all identified by IP addresses, which are again, fairly stable and unique pseudonyms. There are nearly zero truly anon…

My coffeehouse running an obsolete consumer router and accepting only cash actually has zero record of who I am.

> obsolete consumer router

So your router probably belongs to at least 2 botnets, and I bet they have logs of your MAC, your browser fingerprints, and your comings and goings!

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Post by HerbManic »

harrisoned wrote: post #108

This is tiring. The text is so vague, and if a big country adopts it software companies will comply, and there's no reason to why smaller ones wouldn't, since 'the work is already done'. I wonder if it would be illegal for an user to use an outdated system without those functions when they roll out, or to use outdated applications, or to distribute outdated applications, or to keep mirrors of multiple versions of ope…

If they are smart about it, they probably wont make older systems illegal but will merely let other parts of tech advance to the point that old systems become practically useless online. Like running a PowerPC mac online today, yeah you can just barely do it but very few do.

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Post by wafflemaker »

Jamesbeam wrote: post #171
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #97

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lol what makes you think YOU won’t be the homeless person.

I got a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese shitbox car I can repair myself from scrap if I have to, and enough in the bank at three to five percent to pay my taxes, all of my hobbies, eating steak every day if I wanted and my share of the universal multi-payer health care system in my country. That puts me for the rest of my life at a level of fuck you. And if the system breaks down, I’m just going…

Reading this made me think of the 4chan Navy Seals copypasta about a top of the class navy seals trained in gorilla warfare, the best sniper in the whole US marine corps.

https://dailydot.com/navy-seal-copypasta

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Post by nirava »

ranger_danger wrote: post #256
hammock wrote: post #175

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This. We need to stop calling this “age verification.” You are uploading your full ID. Not your age.

Where does it say a "full ID" must be uploaded?

There is no other technology to do age verification at scale.

Apple, Google and such will contract out this age verification to a third-party which will ask you to upload your ID and a 3D face captcha, which the third party will delete within 15 days, but somehow magically still make it into an unfortunate, unavoidable data leak a couple of years later.

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Post by cmiles74 »

shevy-java wrote: post #153
snaking0776 wrote: post #116

Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…

IF it were for the kids - but I don't think it is. > Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. This assumes it is about the children. But if you do not think so then it opens up new alternatives suddenly, be it from tracking people, to targeted ads or any other information that could be gathered and eventually either monetized or put in tandem with other information. We'd get age graphs that way…

The proving-your-age thing seems like a weasely way to talk about it. As you mentioned, providing a legible photo of your US state ID is a lot more data than your birth date!

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Post by ranger_danger »

nirava wrote: post #314
ranger_danger wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does it say a "full ID" must be uploaded?

There is no other technology to do age verification at scale. Apple, Google and such will contract out this age verification to a third-party which will ask you to upload your ID and a 3D face captcha, which the third party will delete within 15 days, but somehow magically still make it into an unfortunate, unavoidable data leak a couple of years later.

I think you are assuming what their definition of "verify" is going to be, but it's not actually written in the text of the bill, so we don't know. Similar laws in some states only asked the OS to collect the age, it specifically doesn't say that the information must ever be accurate, stored or used for anything.

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Post by cmiles74 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #256
hammock wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. We need to stop calling this “age verification.” You are uploading your full ID. Not your age.

Where does it say a "full ID" must be uploaded?

Check out the two vendors of mobile solutions, they want a photo of your state ID. Here's Persona's page about it.

https://withpersona.com/blog/what-is-drivers-license-verific...

My understanding is that if you are under 18, you can get away with uploading a selfie.

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Post by xp84 »

“Parents Decide Act”

What a crock! Parents actually getting to decide could be trivially accomplished by a first-boot date of birth prompt, at which time the device goes into ‘child mode’ until the date that birthdate becomes the age of majority. Undoing that (say to repurpose the device for an adult) should require the parent who set it up to also do the wiping, much as existing “iCloud Lock” etc requires the owner’s consent to reset.

If a kid is old enough to buy their own phone or whatever and lie that they’re an adult… I’m not that worried about it. Teens have enjoyed sneaking into R-rated movies and raiding Dad’s Penthouse Magazine collection for generations. It’s fine.

Now, whatever this BS is… this has nothing to do with parents deciding.

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Post by xp84 »

snaking0776 wrote: post #116

Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…

We can abolish prison right after criminals abolish crime. Also, most of the people in prison aren’t great role models.

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Post by ranger_danger »

cmiles74 wrote: post #317
ranger_danger wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does it say a "full ID" must be uploaded?

Check out the two vendors of mobile solutions, they want a photo of your state ID. Here's Persona's page about it. https://withpersona.com/blog/what-is-drivers-license-verific... My understanding is that if you are under 18, you can get away with uploading a selfie.

That doesn't answer my question though, sorry.
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