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Re: Stop Flock

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post #32

Although I oppose the surveillance state, it's important to understand the motivations and incentives involved in the move toward Flock (and its eventual successors); until those are resolved, governments are going to be implementing Flock style programs with relatively tepid opposition. Police departments are seriously understaffed in many major cities, and officers are much less efficient than they used to be. This…

If you take a look externally to other countries and cities, do you attribute their relative safety to good policing?

No that would be cultural homogeneity and extremely low immigration.

Re: Stop Flock

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post #172

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When a teacher then shoots their entire class: arm the students!

I got my BS in Computer Science legally carrying a Glock in every class. I think it's very likely I was the only person doing so; Not because I was fearful, but because I like being prepared. It takes very little long-term effort for people to carry pepper spray, a gun (if able), and a first aid kit everywhere they go. You never know who's life you might save.

There's been exercises where you simulate active shooters with some or none of the people armed. As I remember it the situation with some of the targets were armed ended up with higher casualty numbers in quite a few simulations. The solution to a bad guy with a gun might be a good guy with a gun, but it also might be easier paths to run away and lowering the probability of a bad guy getting access to a gun.

Looking at the non-US stats, it's pretty clear the latter is at least a lot more credible.

Re: Stop Flock

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post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my BS in Computer Science legally carrying a Glock in every class. I think it's very likely I was the only person doing so; Not because I was fearful, but because I like being prepared. It takes very little long-term effort for people to carry pepper spray, a gun (if able), and a first aid kit everywhere they go. You never know who's life you might save.

There's been exercises where you simulate active shooters with some or none of the people armed. As I remember it the situation with some of the targets were armed ended up with higher casualty numbers in quite a few simulations. The solution to a bad guy with a gun might be a good guy with a gun, but it also might be easier paths to run away and lowering the probability of a bad guy getting access to a gun. Looking…

The ideal counter to one bad guy with a gun is good guys with knives!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Old_Dominion_University_s...

Re: Stop Flock

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then it doesn't need to be done in any way.

I prefer people to be held accountable for their actions while driving, actually.

Letting the state control our privacy is a huge price to pay for traffic management. Especially if said state is currently detaining people left and right, and occasionally murdering them

Re: Stop Flock

#316
post #32

Although I oppose the surveillance state, it's important to understand the motivations and incentives involved in the move toward Flock (and its eventual successors); until those are resolved, governments are going to be implementing Flock style programs with relatively tepid opposition. Police departments are seriously understaffed in many major cities, and officers are much less efficient than they used to be. This…

Most cities are spending 9-10 figures on Police staff, and somehow are understaffed? We simply aren't getting effective policing, and technology isn't the solution. Reality is cops have become police report writers, traffic accident helpers, and domestic abuse arbiters, that is over half the job.

Law enforcement has also burned its goodwill with the public, making everything harder.

Re: Stop Flock

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post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my BS in Computer Science legally carrying a Glock in every class. I think it's very likely I was the only person doing so; Not because I was fearful, but because I like being prepared. It takes very little long-term effort for people to carry pepper spray, a gun (if able), and a first aid kit everywhere they go. You never know who's life you might save.

There's been exercises where you simulate active shooters with some or none of the people armed. As I remember it the situation with some of the targets were armed ended up with higher casualty numbers in quite a few simulations. The solution to a bad guy with a gun might be a good guy with a gun, but it also might be easier paths to run away and lowering the probability of a bad guy getting access to a gun. Looking…

I'm actually not surprised. As a conceal carrier, I think that most people that conceal carry a firearm are woefully under-trained and potentially a liability. I still absolutely encourage people willing to put in the effort to do it, given the potential to save lives. Pretty much every single active shooter situation only ends with the suspect shooting themselves, or being shot - I want every chance to end the threat possible.

Re: Stop Flock

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post #311

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If you take a look externally to other countries and cities, do you attribute their relative safety to good policing?

No that would be cultural homogeneity and extremely low immigration.

Give "correlation between immigration and crime" one search. Or don't and just continue to hit on your bigoted dogwhistles

Re: Stop Flock

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I prefer people to be held accountable for their actions while driving, actually.

Letting the state control our privacy is a huge price to pay for traffic management. Especially if said state is currently detaining people left and right, and occasionally murdering them

I'm not concerned about "privacy" on public roads. If law enforcement illegally detaining and murdering people is a concern, I'd rather increase accountability for the law enforcement officers engaging in illegal activity, instead of removing their ability to police actual crime.

Re: Stop Flock

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Letting the state control our privacy is a huge price to pay for traffic management. Especially if said state is currently detaining people left and right, and occasionally murdering them

I'm not concerned about "privacy" on public roads. If law enforcement illegally detaining and murdering people is a concern, I'd rather increase accountability for the law enforcement officers engaging in illegal activity, instead of removing their ability to police actual crime.

Just stop. You are trying way too hard to act smart while spouting a bunch of bs that doesn't line up with reality
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