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Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by spaghetdefects »

mmooss wrote: post #291
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #233

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I don't know, but just look at Iran and US. Where is "rule of law"? Who is going to give it magically? Packages = ways to "adapt" to the challenges of the world.

> look at Iran and US. Where is "rule of law"? Who is going to give it magically? Rule of law - in this case, international law - has governed the Strait of Hormuz and relations between the US and Iran for decades. It's not magical or fantasy at all, but a very well-established and effective mechanism that has been the foundation of the most peaceful world arguably in human history. There is no valid argument that it…

> The Trump administration explicitly aims to destroy that rule of law.

It's not just Trump. Trump and Biden both shredded the rule of law for Israel. I think both parties being captured by a genocidal foreign government has caused mass dissolution with the ability of the US to act within any framework that brings justice.

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Post by pesus »

tptacek wrote: post #235
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #12

I don't think most people in tech are quite aware of the level of visceral AI hatred amongst non-techies. I've personally witnessed the worst Thanksgiving dinnertable fight I've ever seen (after someone revealed that their recipe was AI-generated, a couple people literally spat out the food they were enjoying and threw their plates in the trash), and a divorce (a very solid marriage between two people who were once b…

I operate in at least one social circle that is heavily not-technical (local politics) and I do not see this at all.

People in politics aren't that dissimilar to tech bros (especially AI ones) in terms of world view.

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Post by yfw »

krapp wrote: post #269
Fricken wrote: post #247

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Of course violence is legal. Laws themselves carry no weight if they aren't backed by a credible threat of violence.

Violence by the state is legal. Violence otherwise tends not to be.

See ICE murders.

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Post by Kon5ole »

bloody-crow wrote: post #168
Kon5ole wrote: post #97

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The remarkable part of your anecdote is the behavior. Seems to me some humans nowadays are less tolerant of any difference in opinion, AI is just the current reason to pick a fight. Wonder why that is, and if we'll grow out of it peacefully.

Nowadays? It's always been the case, the only thing that changed is the subject.

I think it's gotten way, way worse over the past 20 or so years. I recall having friends spanning several political parties, countries and religions hanging out with barely a sense of tension in the room.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

dirkc wrote: post #39
lbarrow wrote: post #20

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Spitting your food out because the AI generated the recipe is so clearly irrational that I chuckled a bit on reading that

People talk about AI getting things wrong all the time, why is it "so clearly irrational" to be doubtful of a recipe that might include ingredients that can make you sick?

Someone once try to feed me dinner from a recipie they found on the internet. I punched their lights out and then called the cops.

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Post by codeddesign »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #208
strongpigeon wrote: post #36

It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

Well, dropping bombs and threatening to end a civilization certainly made me think the temperature had gone up. I’m not sure I think a single attempted act against some guy is worth being worried by against that backdrop.

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Post by tptacek »

pesus wrote: post #312
tptacek wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I operate in at least one social circle that is heavily not-technical (local politics) and I do not see this at all.

People in politics aren't that dissimilar to tech bros (especially AI ones) in terms of world view.

People in "local politics" are random neighbors, almost none of whom are "in politics" in the colloquial sense.

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Post by hungryhobbit »

closeparen wrote: post #223
nothinkjustai wrote: post #66

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I don’t think it’s surprising - some people already consider the actions of AI execs and tech companies to be synonymous to violence. Like, comparing something like this to destroying the livelihoods of millions of people, a lot of people would consider the latter far worse. Temperature is certainly going up, but it definitely hasn’t reached historic levels yet lol.

I do not think that marketing products and services that do useful work is “violence.”

Illegally mass surveying Americans, and mass murdering people in other countries is "useful work"?

Because Anthropic just lost their US government contract (AND got slapped with a completely false order that prevents them from working with any government agency) because they wouldn't do the above ... and then OpenAI slid right in and said "yeah, we can do that".

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Post by newspaper1 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #296
newspaper1 wrote: post #211

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How about the 190 school girls the US murdered in the very first attack against Iran?

Yeah, the number of people connecting a potential war crime in a military operation to Sam Altman’s San Francisco residence with violent intent are slim.

I’m not saying this was due to war crimes. I’m saying war crimes blew the Overton window for violence wide open.

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Post by yfw »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #12

I don't think most people in tech are quite aware of the level of visceral AI hatred amongst non-techies. I've personally witnessed the worst Thanksgiving dinnertable fight I've ever seen (after someone revealed that their recipe was AI-generated, a couple people literally spat out the food they were enjoying and threw their plates in the trash), and a divorce (a very solid marriage between two people who were once b…

The only thing we hear is your jobs are going to be gone but we are still only giving you healthcare if you work.
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