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Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by matwood »

joquarky wrote: post #209
matwood wrote: post #174

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It's why I said quickly and correctly. I think it's a cop out to say someone was slow because they were building it correctly. Famously, the old space shuttle software was developed very slowly because it had to be 100% correct at all times. Most software does not need that level of correctness. Part of a SE's job is to understand that.

Fast, quality, cheap. Pick two.

You don't have to pick two exclusively. They are all connected sliding scales. Part of engineering is figuring out where the slides need to be.

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by jfil »

pickleglitch wrote: post #180

Between this and algorithmic pricing, I envision a future where every penny of your finances is know to both employers and retailers, and together they ensure that you only ever have as much purchasing power as the "free market" decides you should have.

Oooh, and if both the employer and the retailer is the same entity, then you have Company Scrip!

Truly, between this and feudalism, our ancestors have already figured out everything that's going to happen to us in this century.

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Post by brikym »

retSava wrote: post #114
brikym wrote: post #96

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But is the income data is also available to individuals? If I can find out the income of another professional in a similar role that becomes the anchoring point. Otherwise the company will just offer {prev_year_income} + peanuts.

It is. You can basically check out the company linkedin, people in similar roles/YoE, then google their name to find out their birthday, then just call our IRS. Ask for declared income for year X, X-1 etc. This gives you an anchor as parent said. It's a way to change the power imbalance when negotiating. I know friends that do this when applying for jobs. There's a law coming that makes this basically worthless, sinc…

Does this also change the way people peacock? I wonder if people would stop creating a facade of wealth (cars, jewellery etc) if the numbers were public. Then the winning move is to invest.

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Post by sokoloff »

wildrhythms wrote: post #162
sokoloff wrote: post #157

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How many acres are you personally willing to farm to let others eat without payment “in a just world”? How many days per month are you willing to pick up trash, sit in a fire station, or teach elementary school? It’s not slavery (if you) that other people won’t give you their output without payment. In fact, it’s closer to being slavery in the other direction if they have to work and you get the benefits of their out…

Assuming that a farm would be owned by one person has already put a very tiny box around your world view

My comment makes no assumption whatsoever about the ownership of the farm. It only talks about the labor of farming, not the capital.

Perhaps it is your own point of view of seeing everything as an ownership problem that has you looking out from inside a too-small box.

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Post by Gareth321 »

defrost wrote: post #123
Gareth321 wrote: post #121

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We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. Until we have very highly capable robots to do these jobs, we need some way to incentivise doing w…

Alternatively, you live in a society that has conditioned you to devalue manual labour and erronously assume that no one exists who actually enjoys physical interaction with the world. As you're likely to be in the US, you could always watch the Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs back catalog. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_(2006_film)

> Alternatively, you live in a society that has conditioned you to devalue manual labour and erronously assume that no one exists who actually enjoys physical interaction with the world.

I think the burden of proof is on you to prove that the same number of people would be interested in wiping butts and fixing mains lines in snow storms if they weren't paid for it. To me this seems unbelievable and naive on its face, but I'm willing to keep an open mind if you have some evidence.

I generally think people who believe these jobs would be done without some kind of incentive have never worked them before. They suck. Sometimes jobs really do suck, but they still need doing.

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Post by Gareth321 »

mlrtime wrote: post #152
Gareth321 wrote: post #121

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We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. Until we have very highly capable robots to do these jobs, we need some way to incentivise doing w…

Jason Pargin has a great viewpoint on this: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1179783609733134 Apologies for a fb reel, but its the easiest way to share.

Great video. Thanks!

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Post by Gareth321 »

MichaelRo wrote: post #196
Gareth321 wrote: post #121

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We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. Until we have very highly capable robots to do these jobs, we need some way to incentivise doing w…

>> We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. >> I do think AI and robotics will usher in a much more abundant world in the future. It's uncl…

Given how we handled the industrial revolution and more recently, the destruction of Midwest industry in Chinese offshoring, you may very well be correct. People will cheer cheaper products and services while watching unemployment rise around them.

However if it happens so fast, and so many of us are impacted, I have to believe that will impact how we vote.

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Post by Gareth321 »

hackable_sand wrote: post #139
Gareth321 wrote: post #121

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We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. Until we have very highly capable robots to do these jobs, we need some way to incentivise doing w…

By someone you mean... yourself?

That's just it: I am only one man. I can't fix everything myself. That's why I pay others to do stuff I'm not good at, or can't do.

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Post by user_7832 »

anal_reactor wrote: post #179
user_7832 wrote: post #169

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…I'm a bit afraid to ask, but are folks from Greenpeace supposed to be rich or something? (I'm not from the US so idk if it's a cultural thing I'm missing.)

Unless you come from privileged background, you don't exactly have the free time to go and prostest against the destruction of habitat of toads. And even if you do have the time, you probably don't care.

That is a valid point.
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