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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

There are physical tests and people do get disqualified.

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I’m vehemently against the draft in general. I saw this war coming over a decade ago and live as an expat in part to avoid being press ganged into drone target duty. Grip strength is a proxy for general strength, and I think it’s safe to assume strength is important in combat.

Yes, calling one's self "expat" instead of "immigrant" sounds exactly like what someone who goes elsewhere to avoid taxes and draft service, while driving up the local housing market and enjoying cheap labor, would do. Again, if strength is important, then use strength as the draft criteria, not gender. And, you do realize that the vast majority of the military aren't combat troops, right? Drone operator duty doesn't…

A small set of counter examples do not invalidate broad generalizations. And if my state wants to commit economic suicide and there is no way for me to stop it I feel no need to join it.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Most of the opposition to women in the army comes from conservatives, not from feminists. They imagine themselves injured in the trenches in need of being carried by a fellow soldier, and they conclude that women are too weak.

In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

An army that can't mold recruits to perform all the duties expected of a soldier is no army at all. Boot camps include a healthy amount of physical and endurance training.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.

Why aren't refugees/immigrants conscripted over citizens?

Because not only that the immigrants have no allegiance to Germany, most have different culture and sometimes incompatible values.

I grew up in the Middle East and I can tell that cultural differences and values were more smooth and compatible than what I saw in Germany. Conscription requires a degree of trust in the people you give guns to and expect to fight on your side in case it is needed, that is mostly not true with immigrants in all times and all countries.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

"Fuck you got mine" is the attitude of the boomers expecting young people to die for a country that the boomers left economically and demographically ruined. Young Germans have the worst life prospects of any generation in the past fifty years.

You're discussing boomers in the context of an awful lot of history.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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No crazier than that the old can vote to send the young to war.

A little crazier — the old were once young, and could have been voted into a war themselves.

And yet the vast majority of combat veterarans are very anti-war.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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And this regulation violates this how exactly?

Because if you need a written confirmation that may conditionally not be given, you don’t actually have the right.

First of all you don't need it. Secondly, the regulation even states that the right is granted automatically anyway. Technically, the rule had been in place for the past 45+ years anyway - even when there was mandatory military service! - so it doesn't make any practical difference.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.

Yes the US has a more insidious "hidden" law that I'm amazed Trump has not used to his advantage. It's a felony for the younger illegal immigrants males who are eligible to not register for the draft (most visa and legally visa exempt tourists are exempt, but the exemption falls off if you fall out of status). Almost none of them do, meaning almost all undocumented military-age-males are actively committing a serious…

It's either generousness or incompetence.
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