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Post by xp84 »

b112 wrote: post #301
AlexCoventry wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving up looking is not necessarily the same as not wanting a job.

Yes, that's why I specifically mentioned it. If the best data you have is conjoined, then you must either figure it out, or ignore it. Do you know what percentage, exactly, are retired vs "giving uo"? No? Then when someone says full employment, they're right unless you have specific and precise data to counter that. We could also discuss people too sick to work. Or on maternity leave. Or wealth vs desire to work. Or…

> Then when someone says full employment, they're right unless

That's odd. The burden of proof is not exclusively on one side.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by hash872 »

pandaman wrote: post #300
hash872 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, H1-B is a dual intent visa- working and a path to a Green Card. It's always been that way

What doe "dual intent" mean and can you show me any government statement confirming that it's a path to a Green Card?

It seems like you already understand what dual intent means- it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card. Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs, which are another step on the path to a GC. The government has an entire series of steps laid out for H1-B visa holders to follow to get a Green Card. I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent' is going to give you more info than I could realistically fit in a comment here

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

youarentrightjr wrote: post #304
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #233

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You can turn the numbers anyway you want but the results of the 2024 election speaks for themselves. Like I said this is the country that the citizens want. Before the retort starts that “if that’s what I think then why don’t I leave?”, corporate America has been decent to me. But I’m in my 50s and working on my exit plan and have been in the country I plan to retire to now for six weeks.

> corporate America has been decent to me. But I’m in my 50s and working on my exit plan and have been in the country I plan to retire to now for six weeks. Crazy take to think the morally correct move is to capitalize on the virtuous parts of America, then leave when it's at its most vulnerable. Here's to hoping the rest of your generation is willing to fight to bring back the country that allowed you to prosper.

I voted for an advocated for “progressive”/safety net policies all of my adult life. But why should I fight for people who would care less if they saw me hanging from a tree? I don’t owe a country that sees me as less of person as anything.

No I’m not saying everyone is racist.

My fight is closer to being done than starting. In the country I’m in right now (and have been for four weeks), the police don’t look at me suspiciously, the people are nice and tolerant of my horrible Spanish, the ex pat groups I’ve become a part of are friendly and welcoming (and not patronizing like a lot of west coast liberals) even though I’m the only minority in the group.

Did I mention the country I’m in now that they have universal healthcare, a sensible vaccination policy, they actually enforce a decent wage on service staff so they don’t have to live on tips, etc?

For me? I will continue “adding on to what Becky said”, “looking at things from the 1000 foot view and finding synergies” and doing the other corporate speak with decision makers as long as they pay me and continue to allow me working remotely.

The US won’t get better. A large part of the country has been racist, homophobic , etc since its founding. My still living parents grew up in the segregated south and the country voted for a president who claimed Black immigrants were eating pets in 2024.

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Post by pandaman »

hash872 wrote: post #312
pandaman wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What doe "dual intent" mean and can you show me any government statement confirming that it's a path to a Green Card?

It seems like you already understand what dual intent means- it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card. Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs, which are another step on the path to a GC. The government has an entire series of steps laid out for H1-B visa holders to follow to get a Green Card. I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent' is going to give you more info than I could realistically fi…

> it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card.

It's not though. It's a DoS policy wrt of issuing non-immigrant visas.

>Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs

So? The government issues I-140s to non-H1Bs too. Not having any US visa and never having set foot in the US is "a path to Green Card" if H1B is one too.

>I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent''

I was hoping you'd do that and find for yourself how wrong you are.

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Post by Izikiel43 »

Muromec wrote: post #293
Izikiel43 wrote: post #259

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> asylum seekers that are abusing the procedural rules, despite not having a solid claim on asylum. Out of curiosity, isn't that the same case as what happened with the Biden immigration surges, at least Venezuela? And now the current administration is taking action?

I'm not familiar with the American context enough to answer that. My understanding is that US was always very lax with immigration enforcement, where a lot of people are neither given the legal rights nor deported, while EU (mostly Western part of) was more willing to give some sort of legal residence, so people can pay taxes, fines and have incentive to learn the language. I don't really understand what was the prob…

They weren’t that lax with immigration enforcement, Biden was the exception, Obama deported a ton of people, enough so to get the “deporter in chief” moniker.

Also, you can pay taxes without legally residing in the us it seems.

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Post by 0xy »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #315
Muromec wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with the American context enough to answer that. My understanding is that US was always very lax with immigration enforcement, where a lot of people are neither given the legal rights nor deported, while EU (mostly Western part of) was more willing to give some sort of legal residence, so people can pay taxes, fines and have incentive to learn the language. I don't really understand what was the prob…

They weren’t that lax with immigration enforcement, Biden was the exception, Obama deported a ton of people, enough so to get the “deporter in chief” moniker. Also, you can pay taxes without legally residing in the us it seems.

He did not do deportations in the traditional sense. Most were turn-backs at the border, not removal operations.

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Post by remarkEon »

renewiltord wrote: post #296
remarkEon wrote: post #288

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I’m confused, why would we need a replacement for the H-1B “lined up”? The O-1 visa already exists.

If you’re a foreigner, pay attention to this commenter. He is fairly typical of who your fellow union member will be if you decide to join a union. If you are on a H-1B note that you will have to leave. Understand carefully the consequences of joining a union. Once empowered this is what will happen to you. Keep your eyes wide open. Remember what the Ayatollah did to his young anti-shah allies.

What exactly are you implying here? That unions are bad for immigration? I don’t understand what the Ayatollah has to do with this.

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Post by hash872 »

pandaman wrote: post #314
hash872 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you already understand what dual intent means- it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card. Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs, which are another step on the path to a GC. The government has an entire series of steps laid out for H1-B visa holders to follow to get a Green Card. I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent' is going to give you more info than I could realistically fi…

> it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card. It's not though. It's a DoS policy wrt of issuing non-immigrant visas. >Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs So? The government issues I-140s to non-H1Bs too. Not having any US visa and never having set foot in the US is "a path to Green Card" if H1B is one too. >I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent'' I was hoping you'd do that and find for you…

This might not be a fruitful discussion because I get the impression you're a bit ideologically dug in on this. I would like to think my subject matter expertise is reasonably high given that this intersects with my IRL job. But yes:

"Congress enacted INA § 214(b) in 1990, explicitly excluding H-1B visas (under INA § 101(a)(15)(H)(i)) from the presumption that nonimmigrant applicants are intending immigrants. Unlike most nonimmigrant categories requiring proof of no immigrant intent, H-1B omits any foreign residence requirement in its definition, enabling holders to pursue permanent residency without jeopardizing status" https://global.temple.edu/isss/faculty-staff-and-researchers...

"The Immigration Act of 1990 created the modern H-1B program as a "bridge" to green cards, allowing immediate work while navigating permanent residency processes that included labor tests. Senate Judiciary Committee reports emphasized streamlined H-1B procedures without recruitment delays to avoid productivity losses, with senators like Arlen Specter and Slade Gorton highlighting needs for quick access to skilled talent. This dual-intent design responded to prior issues, like the Schwartz case, where immigrant intent prosecutions prompted the 1990 carve-out" https://www.cato.org/blog/why-congress-rejected-h-1b-recruit...

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Post by remarkEon »

foldr wrote: post #303
remarkEon wrote: post #279

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I'm not disputing what you're saying in your comment necessarily, and supposing it's true for a moment ... why are we granting any visas at all here?

The presupposition behind that question is that immigration is a necessary evil to be limited as much as possible. I am not American, but that strikes me as an ironic position for Americans to take.

Why? Seems in line with prior oscillations on sentiment toward immigration.

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Post by pandaman »

hash872 wrote: post #318
pandaman wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's both a temporary working visa and a path to a Green Card. It's not though. It's a DoS policy wrt of issuing non-immigrant visas. >Yes, the government issues I-140s to H1-Bs So? The government issues I-140s to non-H1Bs too. Not having any US visa and never having set foot in the US is "a path to Green Card" if H1B is one too. >I think just Googling 'H1-B dual intent'' I was hoping you'd do that and find for you…

This might not be a fruitful discussion because I get the impression you're a bit ideologically dug in on this. I would like to think my subject matter expertise is reasonably high given that this intersects with my IRL job. But yes: "Congress enacted INA § 214(b) in 1990, explicitly excluding H-1B visas (under INA § 101(a)(15)(H)(i)) from the presumption that nonimmigrant applicants are intending immigrants. Unlike…

I am just factually dug on this. You are correct that H1B applicants can intend to immigrate. It's what "dual intent" means. It does not mean the H1B is an immigrant visa or a "path to a Green Card" like you claimed originally. The CATO is not a government and them saying it's a "bridge" is not different than redditors saying so. This is why I asked you for a government statement. There is not one, because it's illegal to immigrate without an immigrant visa, which H1B is not.
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