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Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Do distinguish between Zionist / Jewish supremacist types from someone who is just Jewish. I don't like Israel's policies towards Palestine but know many Jewish people who feel the same as me. Heck, I know Israelis who thinks the same as me.

Being against Israel’s policies is not antizionist. Being antizionist is believing Israel should not exist.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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I want to talk about Ticketmaster. People hate Ticketmaster. For good reason. TM throws on all these fees, clearly engages in third-party selling, makings buying difficult and jacks up prices. All of this is known. But what's less known is that artists, especially big artists, like Ticketmaster. Why? Because TM is a sacrificial anode. It takes all the hate but adding junk fees that in part go to the artist. The artis…

As the Qatari emir said in the wake of the recent Middle Eastern conflict, it's clear who's running the show geopolitically. Cui bono?

Qatar is running the show behind the scenes.

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Israel has recently invaded Lebanon, started a regional war with Iran, and has been recognized as committing genocide in Gaza. The UN believes the IDF uses rape as a matter of policy and has published a report with quite a bit of evidence. Hearing Israel is meddling with elections is like, yeah, if you are doing that other stuff I'm not shocked when you also do this.

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Is this some sort of weird justification? Are you under the mistaken impression that a) I think Hamas is good; or b) that using rape to "punish" rape is good?

There's no acceptable use of rape. And "but they did it first!" is a child's defense of bad behavior.

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Lol. If Israel could manipulate HN do you think so many anti-Israel posts would appear on the front page, and each mitigating or nuanced comment about Israel would be flagged so quickly? No, Israel does not control or manipulate HN.

Vast majority of post critical of Israel get flagged as soon as they get enough traction

"Criticizing Israel" is always welcome on HN.

Posts that veer into overt anti-Semitic conspiracy theory get flagged because the mask slips too far and they reveal the game.

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Given the current sentiment towards Israel in most of Europe, manipulating elections might not be the cleverest way to win our sympathy again.

Europeans give too much value to their sympathies. Given that it's now clear to anyone that will open their eyes that there is no international law, Europe ends up looking like an old grandpa yelling at the clouds, powerless to actually do something. Sympathies are not enough.

Israel would crumble if the EU embargoed it, which it deserves but sadly it's not going to happen. They're getting themselves in a very precarious position, alienating the EU and forcing the US to get into their crazy plans. I think this is not going to end well for Israel in the medium term.

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Israel has recently invaded Lebanon, started a regional war with Iran, and has been recognized as committing genocide in Gaza. The UN believes the IDF uses rape as a matter of policy and has published a report with quite a bit of evidence. Hearing Israel is meddling with elections is like, yeah, if you are doing that other stuff I'm not shocked when you also do this.

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So as Hamas did horrible things, Israel can do whatever they want anytime.

We are talking about Israel, not Hamas.

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It's insane the power and influence Israelis have. In the US it's blatant, from the insane amounts of money and weaponry sent to Israel (why are american taxpayers subsidizing Israel exactly? It's not like they are neither poor nor US owes them) to the recent events in the middle east. But even in Europe. Here in Italy the coalition government has multiple high profile politicians that just happen to be shareholders…

As a Jewish American, I don't think it's antisemitic. We really shouldn't be sending any money or weapons to Israel or joining them in any wars. What I do think is a bit antisemitic is the suggestion that Israel is somehow unique here. Russia, China, and the U.S. are all doing this. Heck we just captured Maduro and killed leader of Iran. I just think a country like Russia is way more effective and subtle when it come…

We see hate everywhere to China and Russia every time in way higher levels than to Israel. Is that racist, too? Russia is also embargoed for doing the same things Israel does. Why isn't Israel embargoed? Antisemitism, too?

The US sadly just do the fuck they want, but I think they get a lot of criticism here in Europe at least. The only thing in what Israel is unique about is that it seems there are no consequences for their actions.

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As a Jew and I don't think that is true at all and feel it is a bit of a dangerous characterization. Jews have just as much scruples as any other groups. What I do think is true is that Jews have more fear of others based on past treatment and even a lot of current rhetoric and may justify actions as necessary for safety. We do also happen to be a very small group of people. For instance, Palestinians have 1 billion…

Thank you for this nuanced position,. I understand what you're saying totally, as I perceive it like that, too, being non-Jewish.

However, as you stated, the recent acts of Israel's current government are not only horrendous and cruel, but I think are also causing a lot of harm to Israel itself, alienating its allies and creating a permanent state of war that Israel cannot survive on its own. It's idiotic thinking that everything will be fine if the Iranian regime falls. Permanent war is a brittle and dangerous position for everybody involved.

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It's insane the power and influence Israelis have. In the US it's blatant, from the insane amounts of money and weaponry sent to Israel (why are american taxpayers subsidizing Israel exactly? It's not like they are neither poor nor US owes them) to the recent events in the middle east. But even in Europe. Here in Italy the coalition government has multiple high profile politicians that just happen to be shareholders…

Same in Spain with prominent figures of the right. Diaz Ayuso the president of the Madrid autonomic region and a very powerful figure in the right party, has been particularly combative for months to refuse to see a genocide in Gaza, or tried to justify it with nail and teeth. Then her connection with some Israel millionaires was disclosed, and now she is suddenly very quiet about the theme. Not more party invitation…

To add context and data: Ayuso is a close friend of David Hatchwell Altaras, CEO of Excem technologies (Cibersecurity, telecom and Intelligence).

Hatchwell was one of the biggest donors of Netanyahu campaign, and was in the inner circle of Sheldon Adelson.

He is related also with "Action and Communication on the Middle East" (Acom), the "company accelerator" Zakut (Provider of entrepreneurship and technology consulting services), the investments platform OurCrowd, and several business on real state in Madrid.

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