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Post by Throaway1975123 »

ryukoposting wrote: post #283
wbl wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dylan going electric was not about instrument choices. It was about abandoning the radical folk music tradition that Seeger, Guthrie, etc. had revived.

Bingo. The problem with this take is that the people pissing and moaning in the early '70s were right. Early Dylan sounds good. The texture of an acoustic guitar draws focus to songcraft and away from objectively bad execution. Dylan's vocals were always bad but they went from charmingly bad to just-plain-bad with the transition to electric. The bigger sound was not flattering for him. With 60 years of hindsight, fol…

Actually most serious music fans consider Dylan's best work to be in the 70's period.

New Morning, Saved, Planet Waves, Basement Tapes

Source: Worked in record store for 15 years.

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Post by Throaway1975123 »

petcat wrote: post #282
wbl wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dylan going electric was not about instrument choices. It was about abandoning the radical folk music tradition that Seeger, Guthrie, etc. had revived.

It absolutely was about the instrument choice. Because folk music had strong norms about acoustic authenticity. Going electric at the time was seen as "commercialized" and "mass produced". We see the parallels with what some perceive as "slop" today.

Dylan went electric for money purposes. That was the big betrayal.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

thin_carapace wrote: post #215
gzread wrote: post #197

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People without sex dolls also have lower birthrates. It's because the time previously used for fucking and childrearing has instead been owed to our masters since before we were born.

the sex doll thing was intended as a metaphor throughout this thread. we've been slaves for thousands of years, that bit hasnt changed. what has changed is that people nowadays no longer care about themselves because they are fried. watching life on a screen feels close enough to the real thing - why bother living at all, living is risky and can hurt you. the usual answer to that would be testosterone pushing us to d…

My guess is we'll end up divorcing human reproduction from human sexuality at some point anyway. I don't know if that'll be a net good thing or a net bad thing, and don't have a strong opinion either way, but I do know that regardless of any debate about the causes of low birth rates, we are no longer subject to the evolutionary pressure that, however accidentally, gave us what intelligence we have. (Many of the religions you seem to be advocating would say we never were.)

Anyway, none of this is an emergency. Near-term survival is the real concern, accompanied by continued technological progress. Neo-Luddites are working up the courage to take direct action (see comments elsewhere in this thread), and they will be using tools far more effective than the shoes, angry words, and monkey wrenches their predecessors employed. Meanwhile, the most popular religion in America has convinced its followers that a nuclear war is just the ticket to bring Jesus back.

I wish those words were as stupid as they sound, but we live in times that celebrate stupidity and are ruled by those who embody it. If we can get through the next 50 years without any major civilization-level setbacks, I think we'll be home free. So that needs to be the focus.

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Post by samman »

For the specific process that generated this story, I think a generous comparison could be made to something like photography. Yes, the machine is producing the resulting work, but under the guidance and curation of an artist that sets an appropriate parameters and context to the machine. I’d submit that this can result in varying levels of authorship, much like the difference between a snapshot (one-shot?) and a carefully controlled studio photograph, depending on the depth of preparation, iteration, and curation the photographer performs.

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Post by rustystump »

fluoridation wrote: post #152
rustystump wrote: post #149

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No, code is a way of communicating ideas, or more correctly information. All languages convey information. All languages convey ideas.

Did you read past the first sentence? The kind of information that a piece of code transmits is fundamentally different from that which is transmitted by a sentence or a song.

So code that is written which plays music, yes people do live code music, doesnt count?

An elegant algorithm or intentionally inelegant one do not speak or communicate ideas? Please, keep hairsplitting.

Sir. You’re wrong and wrong on the internet. Two capital offenses. For shame.

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Post by WolfeReader »

Supermancho wrote: post #114
shermantanktop wrote: post #40

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It's worth reading. It's about AI.

Having read most of it, I don't agree that it's worth reading. A bunch of made-up technical jargon and situations that never happened to frame specific problems that are part of the made-up situations using more jargon, in a farmer-centric area. It was a waste of time and a waste of concentration to try to make sense of it. There was no learning, nor was it worth quoting, nor comparing to anything else.

I wish I remembered the source of this quote: "If you didn't take the time to write it, I'm not taking the time to read it." This saved me from reading the story.

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Post by tomhow »

fzeroracer wrote: post #200
tomhow wrote: post #59

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Yes, which is why some of the comments are from a day ago but the post is only a couple of hours old. We originally downranked it due to being AI-generated. But on reflection and discussion with the author, we decided that enough HN users may find that it gratifies intellectual curiosity, because it's interesting to see how a human and an AI bot can collaborate to create writing like this. We just asked the author to…

> But on reflection and discussion with the author, we decided that enough HN users may find that it gratifies intellectual curiosity, because it's interesting to see how a human and an AI bot can collaborate to create writing like this. I can't say I agree, at all. This is essentially just your average post on Facebook or Linkedin made relevant on HN through telling a story about software mechanics. I don't find it…

> I don't find it interesting

That's fine. Nothing on HN is of interest to everyone. But the post spent 20 hours on the front page and earned over 450 upvotes and 300 comments. It was clearly interesting to a lot of the community and activated a worthwhile discussion.

> I would greatly prefer it if they don't infest HN as well

We are actively working against AI-generated/bot-posted comments "infesting" HN. LinkedIn-style marketing slop has always been unwelcome on HN, whether it's AI-generated or not. In this case a collaboration between a human and AI produced an interesting result, as evidenced by the community's response.

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Post by fluoridation »

rustystump wrote: post #315
fluoridation wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read past the first sentence? The kind of information that a piece of code transmits is fundamentally different from that which is transmitted by a sentence or a song.

So code that is written which plays music, yes people do live code music, doesnt count? An elegant algorithm or intentionally inelegant one do not speak or communicate ideas? Please, keep hairsplitting. Sir. You’re wrong and wrong on the internet. Two capital offenses. For shame.

You're being purposefully dense and I'm not going to engage with you.

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Post by rustystump »

fluoridation wrote: post #318
rustystump wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So code that is written which plays music, yes people do live code music, doesnt count? An elegant algorithm or intentionally inelegant one do not speak or communicate ideas? Please, keep hairsplitting. Sir. You’re wrong and wrong on the internet. Two capital offenses. For shame.

You're being purposefully dense and I'm not going to engage with you.

No I am not but you came across in the last reply aggressive so i tried to lighten the mood a bit. This is the internet and people can disagree. It is fine.

I dont think you are reading my point at all and are instead getting worked up. If you disagree, fair.

I think a heavy argument needs to be made to say that code or programming languages do not carry ideas for me to change my mind on it. Id be happy to engage in good spirit but you seem pretty set in stone there.

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Post by nitwit005 »

avian wrote: post #238
rikschennink wrote: post #164

When I noticed the article header image was generated with AI my interest in reading the article itself dropped to zero.

Can you point out what made you think the images were AI generates? I suspected they were (before reading in this thread everything is AI generated), but I couldn't find any of the usual signs. I thought they were AI because I suspected nobody would pay an illustrator/actually spend time making those illustrations for a story like this. The fact that the whole text was AI came as a surprise. I did notice that weird i…

The main building's roof doesn't make any sense (we should be able to see the top). The font choices are odd. Some straight lines look like digital line tool, and others look free hand. The perspective of the signs are wrong in a strange way.
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