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Post by aantix »

shagie wrote: post #282
dfadsadsf wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every year US absorbs 120k+ H1B+L1+OPT new visa holders. Considering there are 1.9M software engineers, market has to grow by 5% every year just to stand still. Add US graduates and you are talking about 10% growth required just to maintain employment. It's not realistic long term. Congress/president should pause H1B visas or hike up fee to 200-500K so that only truly exceptional talent are allowed in. Right now it's…

That makes the assumption that every H1B, L1, and OPT is going into software development. https://apnews.com/article/teacher-jobs-h1b-j1-visa-online-s... Like many school systems facing teacher shortages, South Carolina’s Allendale County has looked overseas for help. A quarter of the teachers in the rural, high-poverty district come from other countries. The superintendent praises the international educators — mostl…

South Carolina's beginning teacher salary is $42,500.

That's at 125% above the poverty level.

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Post by newhotelowner »

treyfitty wrote: post #4

Data is coming from BLS. Their data lags the true state of affairs, and their growth projections are never reliable. Remember when they touted from 2000-2010 that Actuaries are the hottest growing field with the best forward looking outlook? BLS forward looking guidance means nothing when technology revolutionizes the nature of work.

Their data may not be the latest but isn't it's more reliable. I used to participate in the BLS, and this numbers are submitted by employer every two weeks.

No one can predict everything perfectly. This is just the guidance based on the data that was reported. AI is advancing faster than anyone can imagine and no one knows the impact - good or bad.

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Post by mulakosag »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #274
ravenstine wrote: post #250

Wow, I had no idea the reason my peers and I can't find another position in less than 12 months is because the market for software developers is growing faster than average!

Every year US absorbs 120k+ H1B+L1+OPT new visa holders. Considering there are 1.9M software engineers, market has to grow by 5% every year just to stand still. Add US graduates and you are talking about 10% growth required just to maintain employment. It's not realistic long term. Congress/president should pause H1B visas or hike up fee to 200-500K so that only truly exceptional talent are allowed in. Right now it's…

So immigrants are in fact taking away the jobs? Do you have the same opinion of illegal immigrants jumping the border and taking jobs from average Americans?

I find this argument extremely funny because when immigrations are taking the white collar jobs, you guys get anti immigrants, tighten the visa stuff, but when blue collar and low level jobs are taken by illegal folks you turn and blind eye and noone is illegal in stolen land login.

I 100% agree that H1B has been extremely abused by folks from specific country running body shop tech consultancies but the solution is not to hike up the fees to 200k-500k.

The 100k fee by Trump admin is already showing effects in the job market. Most companies are not readily sponsoring H1B visa anymore, getting a big tech job as a intl student is already tough and only exceptional ones are getting such jobs.

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Post by RivieraKid »

ripvanwinkle wrote: post #36
visarga wrote: post #10

If AI produces surplus where does it go? Not talking about investment backed datacenter buildout and AI labs. Talking about the results of AI work... I think AI outcomes distribute to contexts where it is used, and produce a change in how we work, what work we take on. Competition takes care of taking those surpluses and investing them in new structure, which becomes load bearing and we can't do without it anymore. I…

The surplus goes to the owners of the capital. Labor has been losing to capital for sometime now

If existing capital starts to generate excessive profits, more capital will be built, which will require human labor and will make the original capital less valuable.

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Post by wiseowise »

ks2048 wrote: post #112

Bet on high job-growth market: Security guard for data centers. Stand in front with a gun while mobs come to burn down the data center that took their jobs. (I think I'm half joking).

> Stand in front with a gun while mobs come to burn down the data center that took their jobs.

I doubt it'd be old hit-and-run, more like small scale Ukraine with drones filled with explosives.

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Post by limbicsystem »

dbgrman wrote: post #208

Cool stuff. would be nice to have a color blind mode. I literally can't distinguish the red from green in this visualization.

Maybe a job for Daltonize:

https://www.vischeck.com/run.html

It twiddles colors in a physiologically-aware manner to improve legibility for colorblind observers:

https://github.com/wadelab/VischeckTinyeyes/blob/main/websit...

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Post by NikolaNovak »

knuppar wrote: post #289
dfadsadsf wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every year US absorbs 120k+ H1B+L1+OPT new visa holders. Considering there are 1.9M software engineers, market has to grow by 5% every year just to stand still. Add US graduates and you are talking about 10% growth required just to maintain employment. It's not realistic long term. Congress/president should pause H1B visas or hike up fee to 200-500K so that only truly exceptional talent are allowed in. Right now it's…

you're not factoring in a few specific things: 1) how many of these people leave the country in this analysis. 2) OPTs likely will get h1b/l1s/leave the country and are being counted distinctly. 3) not all h1b/l1/OPTs are for tech. majority for sure, but there's a conversation factor. specially in the current situation that green cards are much harder to obtain and many OPTs don't find a job, I expect 1 to be much la…

Oh, there's a name for it! I've sometimes been struggling to verbalize in the past the logical issue I perceived with the "immigrants steal are jobs" absolutists, and this is a useful reference.

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Post by wiseowise »

gzread wrote: post #145
nlawalker wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: kitchen appliance analogies, I stand by my "AI is a dishwasher" analogy. It's annoying that the dishes still have some pooled water in them when the cycle finishes; it doesn't always get everything perfectly clean; I have to know not to put the knives or the wooden stuff or anything fancy in it. But in spite of all of that, I use it every day, it's a huge productivity boost, and I'd hate to be without it.

And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

> And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

That's completely, demonstratively false. Our dishwasher broke and we couldn't replace it for a month for different reasons – it was a complete nightmare. Without dishwasher:

- You need to have a space to store dirty dishes

- You must wash them right away, unless you want smell of rotten food that attracts all sorts of nasty from insects to rodents

- You need to have a big enough kitchen sink to wash comfortably

- You need to have a steady supply of hot water in the kitchen

- You need to have a supply of latex gloves, unless you want your hands to look like they're 50 years old

- You need to have a drying rack

- It takes a shitton of time compared to loading dishwasher, starting it and forgetting about it

- You need to clean up everything after you're done

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Post by jwelten »

aerhardt wrote: post #262

Am I being obtuse, or is there no license? I'd like to use this on my website and also see if I can create variations for some of the major EU markets.

No license visible as far as I can tell. For EU markets, Eurostat publishes comparable occupational data through ISCO-08 and the EU's Joint Research Centre has their own AI exposure methodology — so the data is there to build it.
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