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Re: Malus – Clean Room as a Service

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And how are you supposed to guarantee equivalent functionality by analyzing "README files, API docs, and type definitions"?

It's described on the web page but it's by having 2 agents. One has access to the code and one doesn't.

Are they the same model?

Not that it matters, I just think the joke is more fun if they are different.

Re: Malus – Clean Room as a Service

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Satire is too dangerous to be presented outside of its community. This honestly should've been left within FOSDEM. It's great within the context of people who understand it, enlightening even. Sparks conversations and debates. But outside of it ignorance wields it like a bludgeon and dangerous to everyone around them. Look at all the satirical media around fascism, if you knew to criticize you could laugh, but for fa…

No one who understands the first thing about this topic could possibly have read that web page and not realized that it was satire. "Those maintainers worked for free—why should they get credit?" "Your shareholders didn't invest in your company so you could help strangers." "For the first time, a way to avoid giving that pesky credit to maintainers." "Full legal indemnification [...] through our offshore subsidiary i…

This is because you're already in that mindset.

Try to take the stance of someone who doesn't really know too much about open source other than it's a nuisance to use, this is a great idea! I wanted to use this tool that corporate said we couldn't touch, but now I can!

Re: Malus – Clean Room as a Service

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An interesting aspect of this, especially their blog post ( https://malus.sh/blog.html ), is that it acknowledges a strain in our legal system I've been observing for decades, but don't think the legal system or people in general have dealt with, which is that generally costs matter . A favorite example of mine is speed limits. There is a difference between "putting up a sign that says 55 mph and walking away", "putt…

If you had to put a name to this phenomenon, what would it be?

Re: Malus – Clean Room as a Service

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I wish we'd distinguish between bullshit and clearly identified things that _may_ be future threats.

The linked post contains a whopping lie - "What does it mean for the open source ecosystem that 90% of our open source supply chain can currently be recreated in seconds with today's AI agents"

It can't. Not even close. Please, do show a working clean-room implementation of a major opensource package. (Not left-pad)

We really need to stop hyperventilating and get back to reality.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satire is too dangerous to be presented outside of its community. This honestly should've been left within FOSDEM. It's great within the context of people who understand it, enlightening even. Sparks conversations and debates. But outside of it ignorance wields it like a bludgeon and dangerous to everyone around them. Look at all the satirical media around fascism, if you knew to criticize you could laugh, but for fa…

If people lack sense of humor or satire, even if pathologically, well, too bad for them. Why should the rest be denied of that satire? It's not harming anyone at all.

Unfortunately it's not too bad for them, it's too bad for everyone they're around. They aren't the ones that lose out when we start dismantling open source communities.

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Precise law enforcement would motivate political will to proactively law change to be more precise and appropriate, or tuned, to the public sentiment. Imprecise law enforcement enables political office holders to arbitrarily leverage the law to arrest people they label as a political enemy, e.g. Aaron Swartz. If everyone that ever shared publications outside the legal subscriber base was precisely arrested, charged,…

Code is Law is pretty much demonstrates that it is not possible to precisely define law. https://www.fxleaders.com/news/2025/10/29/code-is-law-sparks... Additionally, law is not logical. Law is about justice and justice is not logical.

"Law is about justice" is one of those things a good professor gets every 1L to raise their hands in agreement to before spending the next semester proving why that's 100% not the case.

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"I used to feel guilty about not attributing open source maintainers. Then I remembered that guilt doesn't show up on quarterly reports. Thank you, MalusCorp." ◆ Chad Stockholder Engineering Director, Profit First LLC

Certain views of OSS and its relation to commercial software always seemed to be fraught with highly voluntarist and moralizing attitudes and an intellectual naivete.

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Re: Malus – Clean Room as a Service

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This is extremely good satire. Question is, why hasn't anyone done this for real? There's enough people with the right knowledge and who would love to destroy open source for personal gain. Is it that this kind of service would be so open to litigation that it would need a lot of money upfront? Or is someone already working on this, and we're just living out the last good days of OSS?

What would be the incentive for someone to do this for real?

We all have access to SOTA LLMs. If I want a "clean room" implementation of some OSS library, and I can choose between paying a third party to run a script to have AI rebuild the whole library for me and just asking Claude to generate the bits of the library I need, why would I choose to pay?

I think this argument applies to most straightforward "AI generated product" business ideas. Any dev can access a SOTA coding model for $20p/m. The value-add isn't "we used AI to do the thing fast", it's the wrapping around it.

Maybe in this case the "wrapping" is that some other company is taking on the legal risk?

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